tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post8044916071534870537..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: The Myth of "Makers" and "Takers"Alonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-35993823707490795082013-05-31T16:49:35.253-06:002013-05-31T16:49:35.253-06:00Obama? You mean George Bush? TARP was enacted by B...Obama? You mean George Bush? TARP was enacted by Bush... under executive order. Mabey you remeber Bohner crying on the floor?http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/was-tarp-passed-under-bush-or-obama/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-21995106351381231442013-01-13T12:04:37.110-07:002013-01-13T12:04:37.110-07:00The Flying Spaghetti Monster needs your help.
htt...The Flying Spaghetti Monster needs your help.<br /><br />https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/designate-flying-spaghetti-monster-official-deity-united-states-america/Q4PRQp6BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-86843860539410644682013-01-12T10:05:09.294-07:002013-01-12T10:05:09.294-07:00I do know that congress at least attempted to add ...I do know that congress at least attempted to add taxpayer protections to the bill, I haven't read the bill myself yet though and would have to do so before I could say congress did a good or poor job at trying to ensure the action wasn't taking or at least mitigate it.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798222298277681691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-84915381459484978982013-01-12T10:01:39.502-07:002013-01-12T10:01:39.502-07:00Anonymous, you meant congress too right? They vote...Anonymous, you meant congress too right? They voted on this thing. Why did you single out Obama?<br /><br />It's pretty clear that both Wall Street and politicians have culpability for the bailout. Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798222298277681691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-6419186054217206642013-01-11T14:59:22.736-07:002013-01-11T14:59:22.736-07:00A "Taker" is somebody who short-circuits...A "Taker" is somebody who short-circuits a voluntary trade by forcing a person to accept something less than they would have accepted without the use of force.<br /><br />If I were to destroy your $1,000,000 house and give you $900,000 in return - and force you accept that deal - I would still be a "Taker" - taking $100,000 from you. The fact that the $900,000 does not count as "little or nothing in return" is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the taker offers "Less than you would accept in a voluntary exchange."<br /><br />When Bankers used the government to give them hundreds of billions to trillions of dollars in bailout money they certainly did "take people's money". There might be other money that a person did not "Take", but the bailout money was "Taken".<br /><br />If a person holds down a job during the day and rob convenience stores at night he is still a thief. The fact that he has a legitimate source of income does not change the fact that the income obtained by robbery is not legitimate.<br /><br />Similarly, the fact that banks have some legitimate forms of income does not change the fact that the bailout money they receive was "Taken" in the sense used in this article - and as such was a transfer of hundreds of billions to trillions of dollars substantially into the pockets of the wealthy.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-52245439286229348262013-01-11T14:24:30.066-07:002013-01-11T14:24:30.066-07:00But that is not Ayn Rand's definition. Takers...But that is not Ayn Rand's definition. Takers demand that you give them something to while they offer little or nothing in return.<br /><br />Bankers do not take anyone's money. We bring it to them or borrow from them. They in return, pay us interest and invest in other Makers efforts. Unfortunately, some of those loans fail and some of those investments do not perform as predicted. And as we see in Atlas Shrugged and real life, the biggest obstacle to Makers is tha actions of politicians or activists trying to make things "fair" or "right". <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-25903451324144671632013-01-11T13:27:13.610-07:002013-01-11T13:27:13.610-07:00Your definition of "Takers" is nonsensic...Your definition of "Takers" is nonsensical. Under your definition, a person ceases to become a "taker" if he agrees to wash a car for $1.00 once each year.<br /><br />A "Taker" as I am using the term is anybody who acquires something of value (money, a view) by means that are destructive of the life, health, property, and liberty of others involuntarily.<br /><br />The executives of the banking industry bailed out in 2008 and the owners of the fossil-fuel companies who refuse to ignore the harmful consequences of global warming more than qualify at "Takers" on a industrial scale.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-22310168363135995392013-01-11T12:50:35.863-07:002013-01-11T12:50:35.863-07:00Your definition of Takers is invalid, revisit your...Your definition of Takers is invalid, revisit your premise.<br /><br />If you have a job, you are not a taker. The Taker in the banking bailout was President Obama. He took our money to bailout banks that should have been allowed to collapse or taken over by more competent Makers.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com