tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post7568856093469240760..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: The Manhattan Declaration Part V: Kinds of MarriageAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-28776332931848673032009-12-02T17:15:41.957-07:002009-12-02T17:15:41.957-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389298711813091852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-76673066268048509082009-12-02T17:12:52.835-07:002009-12-02T17:12:52.835-07:00Also, I think you made a typo when you said:
is t...Also, I think you made a typo when you said:<br /><br />is the claim that if we permit homosexual marriages we must also permit heterosexual marriages.<br /><br />I think you meant to say "heterosexual incestuous marriages."Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389298711813091852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-34019717185209656502009-12-02T17:08:42.632-07:002009-12-02T17:08:42.632-07:00Great observation that their points against homose...Great observation that their points against homosexual marriage imply that we should protect heterosexual incestuous marriage and polygamous marriages. I've been arguing about gay marriage for years and I've never realized that. Thanks a lot!Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389298711813091852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-2915874308033197762009-11-29T10:45:40.638-07:002009-11-29T10:45:40.638-07:00I am still not clear on how you get to come up wit...I am still not clear on how you get to come up with the judgement of "bigot" on the writers of the Manhattan Declaration. I think you are bordering on thought control. I would think twice before labeling people you don't really know are wrong in their beliefs. I wonder how you would feel if someone labeled you a "bigot" simply because you don't believe in God. In my dictionary, bigot is defined as one who is intolerant of the opinions of others. You seem to fit that description. And before you bite back, consider this, if there is no God, then there is no equality either. You can't have it both ways. The party with the biggest mouth and biggest stick is the winner, and the losers will just have to put up and shut up. Is that the kind of world you want to live in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-16022298112481787332009-11-28T22:15:25.720-07:002009-11-28T22:15:25.720-07:00George Taylor
So, you wrote a piece condemning my...<b>George Taylor</b><br /><br />So, you wrote a piece condemning my position on the grounds that I condemned the position of somebody else and condemning the position of others is somehow bad (because everything is relative).<br /><br />You are writing here as if to say that what I wrote was objectively wrong because there is no objective wrongness. "You are to be criticized for your opinion on the grounds that no opinion shall be criticized."<br /><br />Moral subjectivism is as incoherent as any religious morality.<br /><br />I hold that there are moral facts - a position that I have defended throughout the 4+ years that I have been writing this blog, the details of which you can find by referencing the FAQ on the right side of this blog page.<br /><br />And I have no obligation to be "tolerant" of those who have devoted their energies to doing real harm to real people. In fact, being tolerant of those who do harm for no good reason means turning your back on their victims - like being tolerant of the person who rapes children is to turn your back on the children they would rape.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-68584387122921495592009-11-28T22:07:12.185-07:002009-11-28T22:07:12.185-07:00Anonymous
Your statement that the wording in the ...<b>Anonymous</b><br /><br />Your statement that the wording in the Declaration is not hostile. The whole purpose of the Marriage section of the Declaration was to declare a hostile attitude towards homosexual marriage. Yes, they tried to wrap their bigotry in a very pretty package. However, as my argument shows, this pretty package was built to hide some very ugly bigotry. And bigots do not deserve any type of respect. Any respect that you show a bigot is respect that must first be taken away from those whose interests the bigot seeks to harm.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-31487879187406885812009-11-28T21:18:14.022-07:002009-11-28T21:18:14.022-07:00Sir,
"Ethics" are relative and arbitrar...Sir,<br /><br />"Ethics" are relative and arbitrary, as is "morality", both based on subjective determinations. Further, there are no absolutes, as all people have a different viewpoint, dependant on concensus, culture, religious outlook, and period in man's history.<br /><br />Surely you must realize that.<br /><br />Hence, your vociferous condemnation of the Manhattan Declaration strikes me as being just as bigoted as any of those "bigoted" remarks uttered or written by religious fanatics, militant gays, black panthers, klansmen or nazis.<br /><br />That said, all people, not just those who agree with your arbitrary position, have the right to their opinion, to promulgate it, and they have the right to organize with those so allied.<br /><br />If you don't like that, I suggest that you learn to be a little more "tolerant" of those whose positions you disagree with.<br /><br />Incidentally, I am an atheist too, and have been one for many decades.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />George TaylorGeorge Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-51459692974258426742009-11-28T20:06:25.769-07:002009-11-28T20:06:25.769-07:00Interesting how you label the writers of this decl...Interesting how you label the writers of this declaration "bigots". I read the declaration, and noted that the wording was not hostile, but concerned about the direction society is heading. You state that you want to leave the world a better place. Just by using rudeness in your arguments, you have lost my respect, and good luck trying to impact me for your narrow-minded "ethics".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com