tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post5958052355076752060..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Mike Huckabee on Moral ClassesAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-5292380713049876152009-06-24T17:45:42.652-06:002009-06-24T17:45:42.652-06:00Sorry - JEFFERSON's original draft of the Decl...Sorry - JEFFERSON's original draft of the Declaration. My bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-38431863190821192422009-06-24T17:43:58.254-06:002009-06-24T17:43:58.254-06:00"Jefferson said a lot of things, not all of w..."Jefferson said a lot of things, not all of which were true. One of the things he wrote was that men are created equal (and he did not at all have in mind the idea of 'mankind') in a context where the word ‘men’ did not include male blacks."<br /><br />First, I have to ask on what basis you claim Jefferson "did not at all have in mind the idea of 'mankind'. Second, as for the idea that Jefferson didn't mean blacks either, are you aware that, not only was this very point was intensely debated by Lincoln in both his written response to the Dred Scott decision and the Lincoln-Douglas debates, but that in Lincoln's original draft of the Declaration, he explicitly condemned slavery?<br /><br />"[King George] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivatng and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of INFIDEL powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people for whom he also obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed against the LIBERTIES of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the LIVES of another.]" <br /><br />http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/AMERICA/DECLAR.HTMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-30093563816757389782009-06-09T21:38:34.893-06:002009-06-09T21:38:34.893-06:00O.K., that makes sense.
By the way, I am a new vi...O.K., that makes sense.<br /><br />By the way, I am a new visitor to your blog. I am very impressed with what I have seen thus far. Keep up the good work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-7827916124372062832009-06-09T21:25:51.208-06:002009-06-09T21:25:51.208-06:00Michael Maddox
That was not meant to be a quote b...Michael Maddox<br /><br />That was not meant to be a quote but a translation or a re-statement of an assumption that can be found within Huckabee's rhetoric.<br /><br />I have edited the article for clarity.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-83763609129496832482009-06-09T19:55:12.876-06:002009-06-09T19:55:12.876-06:00This is the proper link:
http://hamptonroads.com/...This is the proper link:<br /><br />http://hamptonroads.com/2009/06/huckabee-gingrich-urge-political-engagement-va-beach<br /><br />Alonzo: Would you please give a source for the Huckabee quote near the end of your post regarding "masters" and "slaves"? It is not in the article which you linked, and I cannot find it online.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-66073329353099037772009-06-09T19:45:05.764-06:002009-06-09T19:45:05.764-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-69357964761394188192009-06-09T18:49:36.784-06:002009-06-09T18:49:36.784-06:00Good post. I'm pretty pissed about Mike Huckab...Good post. I'm pretty pissed about Mike Huckabee's quote. BTW, the link doesn't work.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389298711813091852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-53515999310511674242009-06-09T08:14:36.148-06:002009-06-09T08:14:36.148-06:00Technically, a 'creator' does not even hav...Technically, a 'creator' does not even have to have intelligence. I can speak of the Mississippi River being the creator of the Mississippi River Delta, and a hotspot beneath the crust as being the creator of the Hawaiian Islands.<br /><br />However, we must also remember that Jefferson was creating an article of propaganda. He was writing with the intent of inspiring others to action (or, at least, to non-interference) in the project of American Independence. In writing an article whose intent is to persuade others a standard rule is to appeal to reasons that others will find persuasive, even if one does not.<br /><br />Knowing that the bulk of the people will expect an appeal to God's wishes, it was advisable for him to write an article that contains just such an appeal, regardless of what Jefferson may have personally felt about the legitimacy of that appeal.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-44731394787575910782009-06-09T08:02:19.089-06:002009-06-09T08:02:19.089-06:00A quibble, but not an unprofitable one: Jefferson...A quibble, but not an unprofitable one: Jefferson sourced the rights of man to his "Creator," not necessarily to God. The Declaration of Independence certainly does not reference the <i>Christian</i> God. It's unlikely Jefferson was thinking of Thor or Isis, but Jefferson also went to great pains during his entire public life to obscure his personal religious beliefs. Assuming that he was a Deist or some variant of that set of beliefs, Jefferson would have identified the "Creator" as something akin to "Providence," which is decidedly different than the conscious motive force of a personal and personalized diety described in the book of Genesis.<br /><br />Which is to say, we need not ever concede that rights come from God simply because Thomas Jefferson <b>and dozens of his editors</b> used an ambiguous phrase for political reasons.Burt Likkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16060980744675990412noreply@blogger.com