tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post4107268103037126850..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Morality and Questions Belonging to ScienceAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-78400370337808117302012-10-12T02:07:00.728-06:002012-10-12T02:07:00.728-06:00Brian Forbes--
Humans have many desires, some of ...Brian Forbes--<br /><br />Humans have many desires, some of which contradict one another. This is not a problem for desirism; in fact it is a basic assumption of desirism. In the sense that you mean it, humans have many more than two "natures."<br /><br />Desirism provides a model for resolving moral dilemmas that may answer your question. You can find it in the desirism wiki here:<br />http://desirism.wikia.com/wiki/A_moral_template<br /><br />If you're interested in learning more about desirism, I suggest you explore the wiki further. And if you have questions that aren't answered there, that feedback would probably be useful in expanding the wiki!<br /><br />(An aside: Your quote from Matthew 6 can be summarized as: "do virtuous things privately, not publically." But by saying so in public, Jesus is violating his own injunction against public displays of virtue! What a delightful paradox.)Jesse Reevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-59525320680947378462012-10-11T10:56:45.291-06:002012-10-11T10:56:45.291-06:00Alonzo, your answer to two posts ago was emotional...Alonzo, your answer to two posts ago was emotional. You think he didn't read "anything" you wrote? I read about 5 posts and I have the same question. Maybe you can answer it. Maybe you'll recognize this. There's no basis whatsoever for this from your morality. If there is, don't just insult us, tell us what it is.<br />--<br />1 "Take care! Don't do your good deeds publicly, to be admired, because then you will lose the reward from your Father in heaven. 2 When you give a gift to someone in need, don't shout about it as the hypocrites do -- blowing trumpets in the synagogues and streets to call attention to their acts of charity! I assure you, they have received all the reward they will ever get. 3 But when you give to someone, don't tell your left hand what your right hand is doing. 4 Give your gifts in secret, and your Father, who knows all secrets, will reward you. 5 "And now about prayer. When you pray, don't be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I assure you, that is all the reward they will ever get. 6 But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father secretly. Then your Father, who knows all secrets, will reward you. [...] 16 "And when you fast, don't make it obvious, as the hypocrites do, who try to look pale and disheveled so people will admire them for their fasting. I assure you, that is the only reward they will ever get. 17 But when you fast, comb your hair and wash your face. 18 Then no one will suspect you are fasting, except your Father, who knows what you do in secret. And your Father, who knows all secrets, will reward you.<br />--<br />Why would monks through the generations beat themselves into submission to what they obviously didn't desire to do?<br /><br />Christian morals make sense of this battle. We have two natures.Brian Forbeshttp://fromnoahtohercules.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-5824999128239628892012-10-09T10:06:26.239-06:002012-10-09T10:06:26.239-06:00Anonymous
You have not read anything I wrote, I s...<b>Anonymous</b><br /><br />You have not read anything I wrote, I suspect.<br /><br />Of course not. You already know the right answer - so why burden yourself with considering an alternative view. In this case, the view that people act on desires that, in part, other people cause them to have - and that other people have reason to cause them to have desires that tend to fulfill other desires.<br /><br />If your post had addressed anything I wrote, then I could say that you considered what I wrote and provided reason to reject it. Instead, it's just spam - the text of somebody who thinks they do not need to understand what others say to declare that they are wrong.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-31807847924235534912012-10-09T08:53:42.369-06:002012-10-09T08:53:42.369-06:00I beg you to read the following paragraph carefull...<br />I beg you to read the following paragraph carefully. If truth offends, I cannot help it. They are not my own words, but of a spiritual teacher in India who was known to have the highest moral standards. Please analyse it carefully.<br /><br /> «Pushed by their own selfish desires, people ("moral atheists") may act morally for some time, but when they think it over, they will eventually sin. They will say to themselves: "O my brother, don't stay away from sense pleasures. Enjoy sense pleasures as you like, as long as others do not know of them. Why not? I do not think the world will collapse because of them. There is no God, an all-seeing God who gives to us the results of our actions. What have you to fear? Just be a little careful, so no one will know. If they learn of it, then you will lose your good reputation, and perhaps the government or bad people will make trouble for you. If that happens neither you nor others will be happy." Know for certain that if the hearts of the preachers of atheistic morality were examined, these thoughts would be found.»<br /><br /> The point I'm trying to make: "If there is no God, there is no point in being moral." Whether God exists or not—that is a different thing. If you are an atheist and think my statement is absurd then please define the 2 words: sin and morality.<br /><br />God is absolutely the basis for morality. If there is no established standard for morality by an absolute, unchanging authority there is no meaning to morality. Suppose you take admission in a reputed university, can you do whatever you want there? Aren't rules established by the university authorities? Similarly morality is "rules" established by God. The university rules may be relative and imperfect, but God's "rules" are absolute and perfect always because God is absolute and all-perfect. We may not be able to grasp the "mind of God". In short, what God says is right, <i>is right</i> and what God says is wrong, <i>is wrong</i>. Very easy for a theist! Can an atheist define what is right and wrong? It is so difficult for him. There is no sense in denying God. Take the origin of the universe for example. What happened before the so-called big bang? What is the origin of the big bang? An atheist generally accepts that the universe ultimately came from nothing, but refuses to believe that a human being, or an eye, or a wristwatch, or a leaf or a tissue or a living cell came out of nothing. Isn't that nonsense? Everything in the universe has a cause, including the universe. God is beyond the created universe and He created it. You may ask, "Who created God?" God is defined as the "Cause of all causes" in various ancient Vedic texts. The Vedas are authoritative because they themselves originated from God and were not creations of human beings. So by definition: God has no creator, He is the ultimate origin of everything else.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-74750559006943697442012-09-20T13:13:42.052-06:002012-09-20T13:13:42.052-06:00Good post, but you spelled Coyne as Koyne in a lar...Good post, but you spelled Coyne as Koyne in a large number of places, perhaps you had Krauss on your mind?Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01410540418272791934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-2441326236906678572012-09-17T09:00:31.880-06:002012-09-17T09:00:31.880-06:00I probably should be able to answer this myself - ...I probably should be able to answer this myself - but how does desirism make the gap from 'desires that exist' to 'desires that ought to exist'? I understand that one has reason to encourage desires that tend to fulfill other desires, but isn't that just a subset of 'desires that exist'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-27789098263520692372012-09-17T08:56:22.546-06:002012-09-17T08:56:22.546-06:00^ Don't feed the trolls.^ Don't feed the trolls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-70310841542289616022012-09-15T08:01:07.223-06:002012-09-15T08:01:07.223-06:00There is a guy who thinks he has atheism debunked
...There is a guy who thinks he has atheism debunked<br /><br />http://atheistpill.blogspot.inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com