tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post188224028140852205..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: The Morality of the Lone SurvivorAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-58423088689285486542009-06-28T13:27:36.913-06:002009-06-28T13:27:36.913-06:00> Have you checked how much a tombstone costs? ...> Have you checked how much a tombstone costs? A decent burial plot?<br /><br />Not really. I'm not that interested.<br /><br />> I wouldn't waste all that money to be pissed at.<br /><br />I doubt someone pissing on the tombstone will hurt it.<br /><br />> As a matter of fact, there are guards and caretakers and so on to protect graves from such offenses. <br /><br />I've been to several cemeteries; There was nobody there. Perhaps there are some "elite" cemeteries where someone stands guard, but not the ones I've been to.<br /><br />> People pay for this protection.<br /><br />I don't think very many people would. So, how much would you pay for it? If so, and you're right that lots of other people would pay for it, too, then I may just have a good business idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-47061694121533248452009-06-27T23:09:35.345-06:002009-06-27T23:09:35.345-06:00How much money would you be willing to spend to en...<i>How much money would you be willing to spend to ensure nobody pisses on your grave after you die?</i><br /><br />I'm not sure I'll have one, but if I do - a fair bit. Have you checked how much a tombstone costs? A decent burial plot? I wouldn't waste all that money to be pissed at. As a matter of fact, there are guards and caretakers and so on to protect graves from such offenses. People pay for this protection.יאיר רזקhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15798134654972572485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-86959753753063653482009-06-27T15:32:00.553-06:002009-06-27T15:32:00.553-06:00How much money would you be willing to spend to en...How much money would you be willing to spend to ensure nobody pisses on your grave after you die?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-14939313854571014182009-06-27T14:35:07.810-06:002009-06-27T14:35:07.810-06:00Kip: Currently, I have no desire for #1 & #2. ...Kip: <i>Currently, I have no desire for #1 & #2. Does that make me a bad person? Or am I a good person, and these desires are not ones that a good person would necessarily desire?</i><br /><br />In my opinion, in case you're interested in it, this makes you a bad person. Or rather, should it really be the case that true self-knowledge will reveal that you lack such impulses, it would indicate that you are a non-normal person, having basic moral intuitions that would be classified as at least non-virtuous and possibly bad by a normative person. (In other words, I'd contend that you lacking such desires is a result of ignorance, in all likelihood.) That is, at least, my current speculation on human nature.יאיר רזקhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15798134654972572485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-15683914249243963212009-06-27T13:59:21.470-06:002009-06-27T13:59:21.470-06:00There is no evidence here of reasons for action th...<i>There is no evidence here of reasons for action that exist that are independent of desire.</i><br />I never said there are such reasons.<br /><br /><i>All of these values are dependent on the reasons for action that we have. This is not the morality of a person alone in the universe. This is the morality of 6.5 billion people living on Planet Earth (what those 6.5 billion people have reason to what a lone survivor to want) </i><br />Almost. This is the morality that 6.5 billion people, 200 thousand years of (some level of) civilization, and 4.5 billion years of evolution instilled in the one survivor.<br /><br />We are <b>humans</b>. Not some abstract machines engaged in a calculus of desires. When we act authentically, we reflect our past.יאיר רזקhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15798134654972572485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-60901691489345097222009-06-25T18:02:25.206-06:002009-06-25T18:02:25.206-06:00Alonzo> "We have many and strong reasons t...Alonzo> "We have many and strong reasons to act to create people whose desires are such that they (1) are disinclined to piss on our graves after we die, (2) will try to restore the human race [after everyone else is dead] if possible, and to (3) face any fate they cannot change with courage and acceptance."<br /><br />Currently, I have no desire for #1 & #2. Does that make me a bad person? Or am I a good person, and these desires are not ones that a good person would necessarily desire?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-51466806941343434582009-06-25T08:43:31.103-06:002009-06-25T08:43:31.103-06:00The thought experiment you describe doesn't sa...The thought experiment you describe doesn't say explicitly whether they're talking about all other humans disappearing or all animal life. The first sentence implies the former and the second implies the latter.David B. Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09468191085576922813noreply@blogger.com