tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post8571399057725215608..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Answers in Genesis: Believe in God or Die!Alonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-18101833433220481432011-10-02T16:55:58.731-06:002011-10-02T16:55:58.731-06:00Go ahead and try to kill me for being an atheist. ...Go ahead and try to kill me for being an atheist. I wear my atheism tattoo proudly, for I have the ability of free thought and will, and if you do succeed in killing me, well enjoy your hell (I am sure according to your belief in god I will see you there, making your hell that much worse.) Because I am sure it is and will not be your only sin against your god. You are already going to hell for merely thinking a sin. So with that said, I Love you still, even as an atheist, but note I carry a gun as well and will END YOU without second thought or punishment from your imaginary "santa-Easter bunny-tooth fairy-GOD." And lets say you are right and I am going to "HELL" for not having belief in an insecure, Probably atheist as well god. Praise my lost soul "JESUS CHRIST WHY DON'T YOU COME SAVE MY LIFE NOW OPEN MY EYES BLIND ME WITH YOUR LIGHT." Sad to report I have still not been saved.James Burchellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-66586711524742779962009-06-13T01:45:25.288-06:002009-06-13T01:45:25.288-06:00I note an inconsistency between the video's me...I note an inconsistency between the video's message and that of the bulletin boards: the video says "If you don't matter to god, you don't matter to anyone." I take this to mean, if God has turned his back on you, atheist (and some Christians believe that he does in fact do this), then your life is not to be considered worthy of preserving by anyone. Getting shot is just something you ought to expect. Such a message is, I agree, reprehensible. The bulletin boards, on the other hand, ask "If God doesn't matter to him, do you?" which is more in line with the argument others are seeing - that, without the (alleged) moral guidance of god, you're just more likely to shoot people whether they're religious or not. I don't support this kind of fallacious reasoning either, but it's a damn sight safer than what the video is putting out. The two messages seem to me to be as different as night and day. I wouldn't put it past AiG to be promoting <i>both</i> messages, but I think that the video's message is likely to do far more damage than good for their cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-60016690709802733452009-06-04T11:13:54.488-06:002009-06-04T11:13:54.488-06:00Alonzo Fyfe: You didn't really respond to what...Alonzo Fyfe: You didn't really respond to what I said. I agree that it's a violent message, and with Sparrowhawk's interpretation that it suggests that atheists have no reason not to kill people at random.<br /><br />But I still disagree that it presents a message about *killing atheists*, as your post claimed. I think that's simply mistaken.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-87993063872639710462009-06-02T09:33:29.667-06:002009-06-02T09:33:29.667-06:00Hello...late to the discussion, sorry. I've seen t...Hello...late to the discussion, sorry. I've seen that there are <A HREF="http://imgur.com/DGEfA.jpg" REL="nofollow">billboards</A> for this now, apparently, that are accompanied with the text "If God doesn't matter to him, do you?".<br /><br />The message I get from that text is pretty clear:<br /><br />This kid is an atheist and since he doesn't believe in Yahweh, he has no reason NOT to kill you.<br /><br />I'm not sure what the purpose of the billboard is, other than to slander atheists and to suggest that we just go around killing people.Sparrowhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16520765821903563677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-62687130471456919292009-04-18T16:35:00.000-06:002009-04-18T16:35:00.000-06:00I am sorry I came to this discussion late. I foun...I am sorry I came to this discussion late. I found the video interesting in that I did not know exactly how to interpret it, what was AIG's intented message? I wonder if the ambiguity was intentional. Of course Christianity is a muddled and confused doctrine, with so many different interpretations of the Bible etc. So I am not surprised that their own message was not clear.Sheldonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03743116454273042629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-7647290130592692652009-04-15T19:38:00.000-06:002009-04-15T19:38:00.000-06:00Jim LippardAiG's position is not that it's wrong t...<B>Jim Lippard</B><I>AiG's position is not that it's wrong to kill atheists, their claim is that *if atheism is true*, then there is no right and wrong, and thus killing *by atheists* is expected.</I>AIG's permission is that if God does not exist then it is permissible to kill anybody - atheists or theists. It is not a descriptive theory about what can be predicted. It is a prescriptive theory in that there is no <I>prescription</I> against killing in the absence of God.<br /><br />However, I was not talking about AIG's position, but the meaning of the advertisement. The meaning of any text or image is the idea that it can be predicted to cause to arise in the brain of the reader/viewer. That message is violent, and it is directed at those who deny the existence of God.<br /><br />Furthermore, it is not at all uncommon for people to say things they do not believe simply because they value the effect. That's what lying is. Most lying does not involve intentional deception - the lier actually lies to himself more than to others.<br /><br />AIG might not want to admit - even to themselves - the meaning of this message. We do not get its meaning by asking AIG (because of this problem of self-deception). We get the meaning by measuring the ideas expected to be formed in the minds of viewers.<br /><br />That meaning is violent, and it is directed against those who deny the existence (or compassion) of God.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-51295526267889220392009-04-15T16:53:00.000-06:002009-04-15T16:53:00.000-06:00"There is no conceivable way of interpreting this ..."There is no conceivable way of interpreting this advertisement as saying that it is wrong to kill atheists or to subject them to any of these lesser crimes."<br /><br />Huh?<br /><br />AiG's position is not that it's wrong to kill atheists, their claim is that *if atheism is true*, then there is no right and wrong, and thus killing *by atheists* is expected.<br /><br />Their position is also not that atheists don't matter to God, but that atheists *think* they don't matter to God (they tend to get confused about the fact that atheists *don't believe there is* a god).<br /><br />They can and should be faulted for their misrepresentation of atheism and ethics, but to accuse them of claiming that it's OK to kill atheists is itself a misrepresentation.Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-7162338561461963182009-04-15T14:20:00.000-06:002009-04-15T14:20:00.000-06:00All atheists who kill, like high-school killers on...<I>All atheists who kill, like high-school killers on the news “know” that nothing matters, because they don’t matter. </I>That's just silly. Atheists kill for the same reason as any theist. Love, jealousy, hatred, profit, passion, stupidity, expedience. We are not some alien race. The only ones who do it because "They don't matter, so no one else does either" are the mentally disturbed. Unless you're going to extend this argument and conceed that every christian who kills some one does so because their god told them to (ala Yates) you should immediately correct what you just said, and then take a while to contemplate why you said it.Eneasznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-29375841324638501762009-04-15T14:07:00.000-06:002009-04-15T14:07:00.000-06:00“There is no conceivable way of interpreting this ...“There is no conceivable way of interpreting this advertisement as saying that it is wrong to kill atheists.”<br /><br />Before I’d read Cindy’s post, I’d cut the above comment and was prepared to paste it and then write the following.<br /><br />I’ve never read any other AIG ads so I can’t say if this ad is part of a pattern. If it is, it’s disgusting and should result in charges. <br /><br />However, if it isn’t part of a pattern I think that there are absolutely other possible interpretations. <br /><br />The first one that comes to mind is, “If you don’t KNOW that you matter to God, then life is absurd and nothing matters, ultimately.” <br /><br />My first thought is that this is an dislusioned atheist kid. <br /><br />The add is addressing the atheist kids that have been going into schools and killing in a manner that clearly shows that no one matters in the minds of the atheist killers. <br /><br />. While not all atheists kill. <br />. And while not all atheists who don’t care about God don’t see the absurdity of life. <br />. All atheists who kill, like high-school killers on the news “know” that nothing matters, because they don’t matter. <br /><br />Like I said, unless this is a pattern for AIG, then I think the explanation that they give is perfectly reasonable and believable.Thesauroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-83184152749079929632009-04-15T10:51:00.000-06:002009-04-15T10:51:00.000-06:00When I first saw this vid, I thought it was a put ...When I first saw this vid, I thought it was a put on too! I could not believe it. It's embarrassing to me, and outrageous!<br /><br />When you follow the link in the comment above that organization puts a good spin on the meaning of this video - implying that they mean that if you don't believe in God you will not value human life. But that's equally untrue!<br /><br />And it is certainly NOT the message that this video brings to mind!!!<br /><br />I thought it was a Christian going to shoot Atheists. <br /><br />I'm embarrassed and highly disturbed. And as a Christian, I'm terribly sorry.Cindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01180754262647505228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-76781380604034665892009-04-15T10:13:00.000-06:002009-04-15T10:13:00.000-06:00It's not a put on:
LINKIt's not a put on:<br /><br /><A HREF="http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/you-matter-to-god" REL="nofollow">LINK</A>NALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12244370945682162312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-15529266987821585252009-04-15T08:57:00.000-06:002009-04-15T08:57:00.000-06:00This has got to be a put on. I can't believe someo...This has got to be a put on. I can't believe someone would be stupid enough to air something like this. I am going to check a few christian blogs just for the purpose of finding what might be being said about this ad or types like it. I figure I will need to post a couple of comments with the link to this video on it. If enough people do this maybe it will wake a few people up.Baconsbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575410885851841473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-13659074849084489572009-04-15T08:28:00.000-06:002009-04-15T08:28:00.000-06:00When I recount to Christians that exactly this typ...When I recount to Christians that exactly this type of attitude was championed in Finland in the early 1900s and that my Grandfather was one of their declared "targets", they don't/can't take me seriously. Many Finnish atheists were murdered. The police did nothing. And, almost 100 years later the same attitude can be found in US America.<br /><br />Meanwhile, the so-called moral Christians who are not a part of this "campaign" sit on their hands and do nothing about some of the <B>devils</B> in their midst!antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909850387414677663noreply@blogger.com