tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post5537019891985506638..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Ben Stein's 'Expelled'Alonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger325125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-47445048861674380942011-04-03T14:18:25.812-06:002011-04-03T14:18:25.812-06:00Such a well written essay on how to be so closed-m...Such a well written essay on how to be so closed-minded that you can't even wait to see the movie to bash it. <br /><br />Way to prove Ben Stein's point in the movie!!!Karma wil Kill younoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-57767973834191607442011-02-11T06:14:02.291-07:002011-02-11T06:14:02.291-07:00I have noticed is that while for athiests the theo...I have noticed is that while for athiests the theory of evolution is assented to unequivocally, there seems to be this tendency from many left wing people to be suspicious of evolution. I suspect it has something to do with the social darwinist stuff, but of course a cursory understanding of the mechanics of evolutionary theory should surely ease their mind.cialis onlinehttp://www.ci-sun.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-48689772651870981432010-06-24T19:23:05.938-06:002010-06-24T19:23:05.938-06:00Well, truth hurts and clearly, those who can do no...Well, truth hurts and clearly, those who can do nothing but squirm when truth is shared, evidently lash out as best possible.<br />First, considering there is not a piece of equipment to measure time or age much past perhaps 10,000 years, and second, that there is not one piece of evidence in a glass case anywhere on the face of this incredibly well, intelligently designed universe we live in to support such literal foolishness as that of evolution, then the case is closed...end of story, face the fact, drop the pride and move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-74750333055696060522010-05-12T13:49:57.952-06:002010-05-12T13:49:57.952-06:00Anonymous
You are so despirate to hang on to your...<b>Anonymous</b><br /><br />You are so despirate to hang on to your view that you will grasp anything that seems to offer it support and offer it as proof even though it is an absurdity.<br /><br /><i>For instance, if humans slowly evolved through millions of mutations over millions of years, the earth should be literally covered in fossils recording those changes, just as we constantly find dinosaur fossils.</i><br /><br />(1) You are comparing the fossils of one species to the fossils of whole range of species. The propoer comparison would be the fossils of humans to the fossils of any one specific species of dinosaur - and there are many species we have only found one example of.<br /><br />There are certainly many species of fossils for which we have no samples.<br /><br />(2) Dinosaurs have lived a lot longer than humans, meaning that they had more time to create more fossils.<br /><br />(3) Other factors relevant to the number of fossils left behind are (a) the climate in which a creature lived, (b) the number of individual members of the species, (c) the manner of death.<br /><br />However, none of these confounding factors concern you. Forget about them, and you have your (make-believe) objection to evolution. Which is what you wanted.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-29236002922601398132010-05-12T13:04:23.260-06:002010-05-12T13:04:23.260-06:00The incredible elitist snobbery of evolutionists a...The incredible elitist snobbery of evolutionists always amazes me. Because a person is not a biologist, chemist, or physicist does not preclude them from recognizing a failure in logic. Darwin's theory of evolution has holes you can drive a truck through. <br /><br />For instance, if humans slowly evolved through millions of mutations over millions of years, the earth should be literally covered in fossils recording those changes, just as we constantly find dinosaur fossils. Obviously, this is not the case.<br /><br />Why are evolutionists so terrified of someone truly applying the sicentific method to their theory? The ferocity and hatefulness of their personal attacks on the ID folks is inconsistent with simple disagreement. It's clearly an attempt to stamp out any other opinion besides their own. Very reminiscent of the USSR and the Nazis. <br /><br />Could Ben Stein have done a better job on his documentary? Yes, I think so. But all the ranting by evolutionistsis is just another way to divert attention from their own flawed theory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-45641792681243319372009-04-08T01:18:00.000-06:002009-04-08T01:18:00.000-06:00If Intelligent Design is just plain nonsense. The...If Intelligent Design is just plain nonsense. Then why is there so much work done to keep it from moving forward? The funny thing is that "scientists" who say ID produces nothing are the ones making the biggest noise about it. <BR/><BR/>If it produces nothing then what does it matter if some "crazy" person wants to try some tests applying his "stupid" theory.<BR/><BR/>It's going to fail and produce nothing anyway, right? <BR/><BR/>To a skeptic like me....it seems with all the effort to keep ID out of everything, that there just might be something to it. <BR/><BR/>Why don't we just let the "crazies" have a shot with their wacky ideas. That way when it produces nothing in front of everyone. People like you won't have to write an entire blog "proving" how it does nothing. If it does nothing let it prove itself wrong.<BR/><BR/>I'm just a simple Military Member and can obviously never argue the depths of science with you. But, I am a defender of American rights...something I do know a little about...and the way ID is being shut down at every corner is an attack on the Freedom of Speech.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying let's start teaching this stuff in the classrooms tomorrow. But, just like people thought Thomas Edison was ridiculous at one point, let's atleast give them a shot to make their case. If what they say doesn't stack up then we can all refer to what we'll call "The Day ID Proved Itself Stupid".<BR/><BR/>Now I know what you'll say to that....It already has, right? Show me where it has proven itself useless and I'll leave you and the rest of "science" alone.<BR/><BR/>Don't forget that at one Point DE (Darwinian Evolution) was given an opportunity to makes its case. All I'm saying is that this is a whole lot of blogging for a movie you hadn't even seen when you wrote it. Why does ID get you in such an uproar? Sounds like the DErs are getting a little taste of their own "fight the power" soup just like when they wanted their Idea to be heard back in the day.<BR/><BR/>Best of luck to you sir in all your endevours I truly mean that. Also, I would like to commend you on your writing skills this was a very well written blog. <BR/><BR/>I am just asking that let's not tell the IDers to "Prove it". Then as they try to, let's not stand there like a little kids with our hands over our ears and our eyes shut shout "LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA." Sound a bit creationistic to me. With the whole God did it I'm not listening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-32146979337468216382008-12-29T05:17:00.000-07:002008-12-29T05:17:00.000-07:00Jeff V.I consider it a moral failing that you were...<B>Jeff V.</B><BR/><BR/>I consider it a moral failing that you were incapable of responding to the argument that I actually wrote. Instead, you had to make up things that were not true so that you could respond to them instead. This is indicative of intellectual irresponsibility.<BR/><BR/>If a person were to make a statement such as, "If the fire alarm were to go off, we should leave the building by going down the stairwell to the left," we can certainly analyze that statement without it being the case that the fire alarm is actually going off.<BR/><BR/>In fact, you make these types of statements every day without a second thought given to their legitimacy.<BR/><BR/>However, when you needed to find something to criticize in my posting, you ignore the obvious legitimacy of these types of statements, so that you can <I>invent</I> a reason to dismiss what I have written.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-66931763457253768242008-12-28T17:45:00.000-07:002008-12-28T17:45:00.000-07:00I do not like one who endeavors to express opinion...I do not like one who endeavors to express opinion on something they have not researched (or in this case viewed) for themselves. It seems you are giving a movie review without having first seen the movie. The only connections to the movie you have are reports from press articles on the subject. This pretty much invalidates your entire column with any connection to the film. If you want to express opinions on the subjects included here, feel free, but I believe it is very misleading to do so under the guise of providing counterpoint to a film you have never seen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-35681199414774435722008-12-22T16:25:00.000-07:002008-12-22T16:25:00.000-07:00I have not read the entire column you wrote so I w...I have not read the entire column you wrote so I won't bring up any objections to the column itself. However, I have scanned much of it and read many of the comments written about it. <I>If the comments are true</I>, then I can safely state that the argument of Ben Stein is correct and verified by your column.<BR/><BR/>One rule taught early on in the learning of science is if you begin your assumptions on a flawed base, you will always have flawed results.<BR/><BR/>I absolutely agree that science is important and most God-fearing Christians would agree that science is important. If not, God would not have had use of it. One of the flaws are that God and science are not hand in hand. There are systems God set up which if studied, many can be understood.<BR/><BR/>Being insulting to the readers and commenters because they believe in God is juvenile. It takes away the last of the strands of credibility not already lost by your admittance of not watching the movie before attempting to pull it apart.<BR/><BR/>I would argue the point more, however, God gifted me three beautiful children. My time is better spent there. I do hope and pray that you will come to realize that eliminating creation from what is taught IS the point to this and that IS causing harm by violating free speech and free thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-76789151343346996352008-11-30T01:01:00.000-07:002008-11-30T01:01:00.000-07:00Hello latest anon.I'll answer as an atheist myself...Hello latest anon.<BR/><BR/>I'll answer as an atheist myself. I can't say that my answer is the same that Alonzo would give, but I suspect they will be very similar.<BR/><BR/>In general those without a belief in the supernatural believe that when someone (you, me, anyone) dies, nothing really happens. Sure, your biological functions cease, but that's about it. It's often hard to convey this to someone who believes in an afterlife. Try to think of it this way - what happens to a flower when it dies? What happens to a tree when you cut it down? What happens to the antelope that is killed and eaten by a lion? What happens when your pet dog/cat dies? The exact same thing happens to humans when we die. The universe continues on, our consciousness is ended, and the actions we took in life carry on for a while after us in the memories of our loved ones, and on the effect we had on society/history while we were here.<BR/><BR/>As for why we're here, what our purpose is - you must decide that for yourself, just like everyone else. Our actions have an effect on the world, on the lives of others, and will continue to ripple into the future. Keep this in mind, and act accordingly. No one is born with a purposes handed down by some job-giver. Everyone finds it for himself, and does what he (or she) can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-51086502649835236692008-11-29T22:28:00.000-07:002008-11-29T22:28:00.000-07:00I attempted to read all of the comments left to yo...I attempted to read all of the comments left to you regarding this movie and your opinions and comments back but unfortunately did not read all of them due to lack of time. <BR/>I guess my question to you really has nothing to do with science and this article, but really I am interested in what your belief IS in regards to God and an intelligent design. I see all of your scientific facts and theories and your belief in the lack of facts in this movie and it's beliefs... but in the end, when you die....what will happen to you? There will ALWAYS be controversy and arguments over creation, design, evolution and how we came to this earth...but my question to you is....what will happen when you leave this earth? Why are you here? What is your purpose for being here? I am not debating or arguing your point on this blog...I truly am just interested in what you think about this.<BR/>You can respond if you have time, or if you even care to tell me...which you may not, and that is completely fine too. <BR/>Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-68322115738710692752008-11-16T07:17:00.000-07:002008-11-16T07:17:00.000-07:00Oh my. The conclusion just stuns me. Unlike the au...Oh my. The conclusion just stuns me. Unlike the author I did actually watch the film. I found it humorous and entertaining to be sure. I would suggest the bigger story out of all this is not whether evolution or intelligent design is correct, but rather the reaction and nature of discourse regarding the film.<BR/><BR/>There are some in this world that cannot, under any circumstances, allow a view that is contrary to theirs. Whether it is because they can not reach 'nirvana' (or some similar destination) without your complete and utter submission to the doctrine or that your views might lead to the undermining of their base of power, YOU are too dangerous. YOU must be attacked and destroyed. Welcome to Amerika of the 21st century. Actung Comrade!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-72173283893410439172008-11-11T18:19:00.000-07:002008-11-11T18:19:00.000-07:00sigh. The original post wasn't even about proving ...sigh. The original post wasn't even about proving evolution, it was about showing how Ben Stein's crowd is attempting to tear down real science and thus harming all of us. But here we go..<BR/><BR/><I>Darwin's finches - special evolution (variety among the same species) being used to prove the general theory - that's a lie?</I><BR/><BR/>It's misleading. That was 150 years ago. There is so much more proof for evolution than just this that it is staggering.<BR/><BR/><I>Mutations are always harmful is a lie?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, that is a lie. Of epic proportions. Many mutations are neutral. Many are harmful. A small amount are beneficial. The harmful ones are killed off by natural processes. The neutral ones may stay or go. The beneficial ones can fixate and become permanent in the population.<BR/><BR/><I>PRove it then - anonymous! Post the links.</I><BR/><BR/>Ok. Just to point out how easy this information is to get, all of these links came from under 5 minutes of googling, and never going past the first page of hits.<BR/><BR/>Mutation can create <A HREF="http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/new_info.html" REL="nofollow">new information.</A> This can happen via <A HREF="http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/duplication.html" REL="nofollow">duplication</A> and/or <A HREF="http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/polyploidy.html" REL="nofollow">polyploidy.</A><BR/><BR/>Mutations can often be beneficial, such as the mutation that makes bacteria <A HREF="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/4/l_104_03.html" REL="nofollow">resistant to anti-biotics</A> or <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/06/historical_contingency_in_the.php" REL="nofollow">lets E. Coli eat citrate</A> or the famous example of a bacteria that <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon_eating_bacteria" REL="nofollow">evolved to eat nylon</A> - a substance that didn't exist before 1935.<BR/><BR/>And of course there's the ol' Talk Origins list of <A HREF="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html" REL="nofollow">observed instances of speciation.</A><BR/><BR/>Congrats on making a boweavel that sucks. I take it they didn't wipe out the other boweavels as you were hoping?Eneaszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14500232958398471146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-26281006734226983582008-11-11T09:29:00.000-07:002008-11-11T09:29:00.000-07:00PRove it then - anonymous! Post the links.Those we...PRove it then - anonymous! Post the links.<BR/><BR/>Those were direct quotes - from Darwin and others themselves. That's kinda hard to argue with.<BR/><BR/>And all of it was false? <BR/><BR/>Darwin's finches - special evolution (variety among the same species) being used to prove the general theory - that's a lie?<BR/><BR/>The fact they are genetic opposties is a lie? One is removing genetic information and one is adding "new" genetic information - that is a lie?<BR/><BR/>Mutations are always harmful is a lie?<BR/><BR/>I was part of a research group that was mutating boweavels know that is would harm them. Our hope was to release them into the wild so they would/could wipe out the rest of them with their damaged/harmful mutations.<BR/><BR/>Guess what mutated boweavels do? They lay there, they don't mate, they aren't advanced, they are not the fittest who survived. They die! In nature they would be the first ones natural selection would remove!<BR/><BR/>So which part of that was a lie again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-2858982294953093612008-11-10T22:40:00.000-07:002008-11-10T22:40:00.000-07:00Mission Impossible - Asking for evidence of evolut...Mission Impossible - Asking for evidence of evolution is like asking for evidence of gravity. They've both been proven hundreds of times over. If you don't know the evidence, it's only because you've never bothered to look. There's reams of it.<BR/><BR/>Dan - what are are saying is simply false. It's a common lie repeated over and over by creationists, and even a simple google search would reveal what a colossal lie it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-21300326515228623362008-11-10T17:54:00.000-07:002008-11-10T17:54:00.000-07:00Instead of me giving another opinion of mine, I'll...Instead of me giving another opinion of mine, I'll allow these evolutionists to speak for themselves.<BR/><BR/>Favorable mutations are what drive evolution. Without them, the whole theory falls. Note the last quote - mutations are ALWAYS HARMFUL!<BR/><BR/>“Evolutionists know that unless favorable mutations do occur, evolution is impossible. In the final analysis, all of evolution must be ascribed to mutations.”<BR/>(Ernst Mayr, Mathematical Challenges To The Neo-Darwinian Interpretation Of Evolution, p.50)<BR/><BR/>“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.”<BR/>(Charles Darwin, The Origin of the Species, p.182)<BR/><BR/>“The mutations we see occurring spontaneously in nature or those that can be induced in the laboratory always prove to be harmful.”<BR/>(C.P. Martin, American Scientist, 41:100, 1953)<BR/><BR/>And for you "Punctuated equilibriumist" out there -<BR/><BR/>“When the mutation rate is very high, no living system can avoid the path to auto destruction.”<BR/>(Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory In Crisis, p.267)<BR/><BR/>And even if there was some astronomical mathmatical chance that several favorable mutations could occur all at once, I offer you this:<BR/><BR/>“Mutations are “merely hereditary fluctuations around a median position, a swing to the right, a swing to the left, but no final evolutionary effect.”<BR/>(Pierre Paul Grasse, Evolution Of Living Organisms, p.4)<BR/><BR/>Breed/cross breed dogs all you want, and at the end, it's still a dog. A different looking dog, but just a dog none the less!<BR/><BR/>And DARWIN'S FINCHES DO NOT PROVE THE GENERAL THEORY OF EVOLUTION! <BR/><BR/>The Special theory of evolution does not prove the general theory of evolution, they are GENETIC OPPOSITES!<BR/><BR/>Special - is isolating the gene pool in order to make dominat the traits you want. It's removing genetic information.<BR/><BR/>General theory - you must add new genetic information!<BR/><BR/>THEY ARE OPPOSITE!<BR/><BR/>That's all for today!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-80957100073794938582008-11-01T22:25:00.000-06:002008-11-01T22:25:00.000-06:00A life that involves arguing and debating with int...A life that involves arguing and debating with intelligent people an a way such that we can be sure of what arguments are made and come up with a plan of finding out which is the true stance, <I>unpleasant</I>?<BR/><BR/>This sounds like every time I eat lunch with my father. We cover reams of napkins with charts and graphs and lists of things to google by the end of the hour. Best times of my life.Emu Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05352556221263050952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-84792610695197170732008-11-01T01:31:00.000-06:002008-11-01T01:31:00.000-06:00I'm just saying... I think that the comments to th...I'm just saying... I think that the comments to this blog are accurate in the "healthy" debate of "Creationism" and "Darwinism" and whatever other beliefs. It seems to me that if "God" (the "Christian God") Does not exist he would have disappeared from our conversations ages ago. I happen to think evolution and Darwinism is creative but it is in itself an unproven, and hypothetical, religion that is based on the thoughts of men such as yourselves, which to me seems like it is a belief just like the "Christian", "Jewish" whatever other beliefs that are out there. If Evolution/Darwinism is fact... PROVE IT! Where did this perfect environment with perfect species of Plants(living) and animals, come from. I may not have a Harvard, Stanford, or Puddleglumville Community College degree in Science, but what gives anyone else the right to dictate to me or anyone else Fact from Fiction because of an inconsistent "Theory" they believe? Sounds a little hypocritical? If you will notice I never "FORCED" my opinion here just talking to you as humans that have the determintion from right and wrong. So if Evolution is Fact, then prove it. If it is not provable then you believe your religion the way you want to. I think it would have been more of an "Educated" decision to post a blog about a film, after it had been seen. This man's view really does not reflect the tone of the film simply that he is skilled in arguing and debating, must be a unpleasant life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-87200423535226904402008-10-23T12:32:00.000-06:002008-10-23T12:32:00.000-06:00Anon - it has been famously said that "nothing in ...Anon - it has been famously said that "nothing in biology makes sense without evolution". Evolution is what draws together and explains everything we know about life, from genetics to medicine. Intelligent Design is trying, at the very least, to destroy the science of biology. It also promotes a contempt of truth and a destruction of all science by trying to popularize the notion that "Science is decided by popularity, not by facts." It may not WANT to destroy science, but that is the end result.<BR/><BR/>To your second point, I believe Alonzo was pointing out the ID/creationism has never helped find any cure to anything, while pointing out that biology has discovered the cures to innumeral diseases which billions of people owe their lives to. Therefore if you are happy having only the cures we have right now and never discovering any more, by all means support ID. If you'd rather that we kept finding cures to more diseases, don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-55865272937792184142008-10-22T15:09:00.000-06:002008-10-22T15:09:00.000-06:00Your argument appears to be centered around the id...Your argument appears to be centered around the idea that Intelligent Design is attempting to replace the entire realm of science. As far as I know, intelligent design is attempting to counter the concept of natural selection. Most people who are interested in the idea of intelligent design are not attempting to destroy the field of science. Science and intelligent design are not mutually exclusive concepts. <BR/><BR/>You also say that intelligent design has not help to find cures for cancer or parkinson's disease either. Neither has the concept of natural selection. Your logic has some serious flaws in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-32015916938551472782008-10-13T23:01:00.000-06:002008-10-13T23:01:00.000-06:00Hi Kirk@Kirk:It's a giving, I believe in a creator...Hi Kirk<BR/><BR/>@Kirk:<I>It's a giving, I believe in a creator because it makes the most sense to me (gotta thank freewill).</I> The "Argument from it make sense to me" is insufficient for truth. Yours is an argument to sacrifice truth on the altar of comfort. Many people throughout history and today have been mistaken about things, some of their mistakes being based on what made sense to them. You need more than that to discover truth, to actually go out and learn and understand the situation or to be able recognize who are the experts who have done the work for us. <BR/><BR/>@Kird:<I>The human body is created in such a complex way, that there had to be a designer.</I><BR/>Question begging, you cannot assume what you are trying to prove.<BR/><BR/>@Kird:<I>A simple illustration is when you look at a beautiful house, you say "wow WHO created such a beautiful house" not I wonder what combination of elements given the right weather and atmospheric conditions in the earth made that beautiful house Well the same goes for life. </I><BR/>False analogy, you need to establish the similarity rather than question beggingly assume it.<BR/><BR/>@Kirk:<I> Now if you really want to know why we grow old and die and why there is suffering, you have to dig a bit deeper.</I><BR/>Well then I suggest you study some evolutionary biology, that might help you.<BR/><BR/>@Kirk:<I> My favorite illustrations to ask people of freewill, do you believe Webster’s dictionary was created in an explosion at a printing factory.</I><BR/>Huh? No-one believes this and apart your whole comment having nothing to do with the issues in Alonzo's post this does not support the points you are making here. This is a strawman of the poorest kind.<BR/><BR/>@Kirk:<I> Anyway my argument wants to be clean and professional with a bit of sarcasms to make it interesting.</I> Well still waiting for such a valid and sound argument - free of obvious fallacies - when are you going to provide it? <BR/><BR/>@kirk:<I>Oh and just for the record, we all know Catholic Church has no creditability, so you can’t use them to downplay creationism. CATHOLIC CHURCH does NOT = CREATIONISM.</I><BR/>This is an assertion without argument. You cannot dismiss another view, even a religious one, just because you do not like their conclusion.<BR/><BR/>@kirk:<I>I AM KIRK</I><BR/>I AM MARTINMartin Freedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16952072422175870627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-29506513083526910722008-10-12T20:13:00.000-06:002008-10-12T20:13:00.000-06:00Your story and illustrations (plan A to prove C th...Your story and illustrations (plan A to prove C then you get R) is so confusing, as I read on its sounds as if you confuse yourself. It's a giving, I believe in a creator because it makes the most sense to me (gotta thank freewill). The human body is created in such a complex way, that there had to be a designer. A simple illustration is when you look at a beautiful house, you say "wow WHO created such a beautiful house" not I wonder what combination of elements given the right weather and atmospheric conditions in the earth made that beautiful house. Well the same goes for life. Now if you really want to know why we grow old and die and why there is suffering, you have to dig a bit deeper. My favorite illustrations to ask people of freewill, do you believe Webster’s dictionary was created in an explosion at a printing factory. Anyway my argument wants to be clean and professional with a bit of sarcasms to make it interesting. <BR/><BR/>Oh and just for the record, we all know Catholic Church has no creditability, so you can’t use them to downplay creationism. CATHOLIC CHURCH does NOT = CREATIONISM. <BR/> <BR/>I AM KIRKAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09477142874274977378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-33300863717637706812008-09-08T23:58:00.000-06:002008-09-08T23:58:00.000-06:00Hi Gene. Look up Pascal's Wager. Seriously.SC I ju...Hi Gene. Look up Pascal's Wager. Seriously.<BR/><BR/>SC I just saw this, and I'm not even gonna bother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-67442808419922353842008-09-08T07:52:00.000-06:002008-09-08T07:52:00.000-06:00If atheist are right then christians gain or lose ...If atheist are right then christians gain or lose nothing. If christians are right then atheists lose for eternity. I choose heaven for eternity so I will do as the new testament commands us to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-5804089942466329292008-06-30T12:36:00.000-06:002008-06-30T12:36:00.000-06:00eneasz-What was the real reason you left Christian...eneasz-<BR/><BR/>What was the real reason you left Christianity. Did you have something bad happen to you that you couldn't reconcile. In my experience most reasons atheists give for their beliefs are purely emotional.<BR/><BR/>In my experience it was different. I believed Evolution and after thinking critically about it, and then studying the Bible and finding how consistent within itself it is, and then seeing how so much archeological evidence supports it, plus how it is more historically accurate by far than any works of the greek philosophers that people seem to believe, I found Christianity to be true, and Evolution and atheism to be a farce.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Anyways the honest problem that Expelled brings up is not as much that ID isn't being treated as a science but you are not allowed to discuss flaws with Evolutionary theory. Many people notice difficulties with it and when they bring them up and say "maybe there is another explanation" they are blacklisted and considered religious idiots. <BR/><BR/>Darwin himself in Origin of species (have you read it?) brought up many difficulties with Evolution. If you're only allowed to agree with Evolution and not question it truth, then how is that a good scientific theory.<BR/><BR/>In order to believe Evolution even despite it's flaws you must accept the assumption that all life can happen by chance.<BR/><BR/>argumentum ad hominem will not change the fact that some things can't be proven by Evolution. Cells into thinking Human beings, can't be proven.<BR/><BR/>If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true ... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. (J. B. S. Haldane, Possible Worlds, p. 209)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com