tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post4821288513972965426..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Hyperskepticism and Global WarmingAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-82704469879436055812009-05-03T17:05:00.000-06:002009-05-03T17:05:00.000-06:00Speaking of motivations ...
LinkSpeaking of motivations ...<br /><br /><A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/science/earth/24deny.html?_r=1" REL="nofollow">Link</A>Hume's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551684109760430351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-48709075297846433002009-05-02T23:51:00.000-06:002009-05-02T23:51:00.000-06:00"what on earth does this ad hominem charge have to..."what on earth does this ad hominem charge have to do with..." anything?<br /><br /><br />Sheldon, I refer you, once again, to my original post, wherein the general answer to your question is found.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-31192510417120456672009-05-01T16:56:00.000-06:002009-05-01T16:56:00.000-06:00Anonymous,
I am familiar with Lomborg and others w...Anonymous,<br />I am familiar with Lomborg and others who cite his arguments. What I was criticizing YOU about is this:<br /><br />"I'm a Lomborg skeptic. After reading his book "Cool It", I really think the alarmists are a hugely narcissistic bunch --"<br /><br />Now whether this is your thought or Lomborg's, (I doubt the latter), what on earth does this ad hominem charge have to do with anything? Who are you? Their psycho-analyst or something that you would be privy to the knowledge that they are "narcissistic"?Sheldonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03743116454273042629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-74507931738992144652009-05-01T13:01:00.000-06:002009-05-01T13:01:00.000-06:00Alonzo,
Given your self-proclaimed knowledge of g...Alonzo,<br /><br />Given your self-proclaimed knowledge of global warming science, surely you can explain why I shouldn't interpret the following reports as throwing cold water (no pun intended) on global warming alarmism:<br /><br />http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/22/nasa-data-shows-oceans-cooling-since-2003/<br /><br />If you follow the links on this article it goes to a NASA article that shows that two reports that the oceans were cooling were both mistaken.<br /><br /><I>But when he factored the too-warm XBT measurements into his ocean warming time series, the last of the ocean cooling went away. Later, Willis teamed up with Susan Wijffels of Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Organization (CSIRO) and other ocean scientists to diagnose the XBT problems in detail and come up with a way to correct them.<br /><br />"So the new Argo data were too cold, and the older XBT data were too warm, and together, they made it seem like the ocean had cooled," says Willis. The February evening he discovered the mistake, he says, is “burned into my memory.” He was supposed to fly to Colorado that weekend to give a talk on "ocean cooling" to prominent climate researchers. Instead, he’d be talking about how it was all a mistake.</I>.<br />.<br />http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/09/arctic_aerosols_goddard_institute/<br /><br />Nothing wrong with the initial claims in this report - only the spin attached to them. This is an excellent case of somebody distorting facts in order to confuse people away from the truth . . . the next best thing to outright lies.<br /><br />That sulphate aerosols cause cooling (and thus the removal of sulphate temperatures will cause temperatures to return to normal levels) is well known. However, the removal of aerosols allowing temperatures to return to normal does not explain why temperatures have <I>exceeded</I> what was once normal.<br /><br />If I pour a bucket of water in a tub, and take the same size bucket of water out of the tub, in taking the water out the water level will drop. But, if the water level drops below what it was before I added the water, we still need another factor to explain the difference.<br /><br />As the article states, one of the emergency measures we can take to combat global warming is to allow companies to pollute the atmosphere. However, sulphate aerosols are poisonous - and we would have to figure the health costs into the benefits of this option.<br /><br />Again, this is a measure that might be taken to offset global warming - which we would not have to do if there was no global warming to offset.<br /><br />Still, the costs of poisoning ourselves might be less than the costs of 250' of sea-level rise.<br /><br />There is no contradiction of global warming science here.<br /><br /><br />http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468084,00.html<br /><br />Effectively, this is circular. Global warming denial is true because there are news reports of people who deny global warming. This is no different than saying that the Jews were responsible for 9/11 because there are people who say that Jews are responsible for 9/11.<br /><br /><br />http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=D0C4924D-18FE-70B2-A808D77A9C1FFFD3<br /><br />Simply another article reporting that people who deny global warming exists.<br /><br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3563532/The-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html<br /><br />Simply another article that reports that there are those who deny the existence of global warming.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-32166517798784464212009-05-01T12:11:00.000-06:002009-05-01T12:11:00.000-06:00Alonzo,
Given your self-proclaimed knowledge of g...Alonzo,<br /><br />Given your self-proclaimed knowledge of global warming science, surely you can explain why I shouldn't interpret the following reports as throwing cold water (no pun intended) on global warming alarmism:<br /><br />http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/22/nasa-data-shows-oceans-cooling-since-2003/<br /><br />http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/09/arctic_aerosols_goddard_institute/<br /><br />http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468084,00.html<br /><br />http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=D0C4924D-18FE-70B2-A808D77A9C1FFFD3<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3563532/The-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html<br /><br />And just so we're clear, "Because those stories were funded by Nazis!" won't hold much sway with me.Another Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-21683450737917519972009-05-01T11:19:00.000-06:002009-05-01T11:19:00.000-06:00"Anonymous cites no real reason for his hyperskept..."Anonymous cites no real reason for his hyperskepticism..."<br /><br />Sheldon,<br /><br />1)I cited a book as my reason. <br /><br />2)I did not say I was "hyperskeptic" in any sense. <br /><br />There are some decent Youtube videos of Lomborg giving some short talks that cover his main points. I think there's a TED one that's decent. Alonzo even posted a blog on him once.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-66514130011825601582009-04-30T23:09:00.000-06:002009-04-30T23:09:00.000-06:00I am with Hume's Ghost. I don't know if it is the...I am with Hume's Ghost. I don't know if it is the scientists or the policy makers who are not being alarmist enough. But it would seem that more drastic measures need to be taken, as opposed to debating cap and trade schemes. We need to get off coal as soon as possible, taking the lead so as to encourage China to do the same. But we are still building coal fired power plants in the U.S. Go figure.<br /><br />NASA scientist Hansen predicted we were ten years away from some critical "tipping points" several years ago. So if he is wrong by ten years, we still have precious little time to act if those "tipping points" are 17 years away.<br /><br />Anonymous cites no real reason for his hyperskepticism except ad hominem accusations to say that "the alarmists are narcissistic". What does this psuedo psycho-analysis have to do with anything?Sheldonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03743116454273042629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-91871609918490436852009-04-30T16:13:00.000-06:002009-04-30T16:13:00.000-06:00Lomborg, ech.
If anything, I think the scientific...Lomborg,<A HREF="http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh032207.shtml" REL="nofollow"> ech</A>.<br /><br />If anything, I think the scientific community isn't alarmist enough. Human civilization is the gift of Earth's climate stabilizing into a kind of Goldilocks scenario for us, but we are quickly heading towards a level of CO2 in the atmosphere that has not existed during the history of human civilization. And we're talking about the kicking on of feedback mechanisms that once they get going, the changes will be irrevocable for out intents and purposes.Hume's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551684109760430351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-77414186664148004312009-04-29T22:32:00.000-06:002009-04-29T22:32:00.000-06:00I'm a Lomborg skeptic. After reading his book "Co...I'm a Lomborg skeptic. After reading his book "Cool It", I really think the alarmists are a hugely narcissistic bunch -- meaning it's more about themselves rather than doing real thinking about the issue(s) and prioritizing, which would require toning down the grandiosity of their cause and their place in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-47372477631637408892009-04-29T22:02:00.000-06:002009-04-29T22:02:00.000-06:00Some fodder for your commentary:
http://hosted.ap....Some fodder for your commentary:<br />http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_SWINE_FLU?SITE=NYMID&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULTLukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12968634190280933116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-51905028894012259112009-04-29T20:16:00.000-06:002009-04-29T20:16:00.000-06:00I was a global warming skeptic until literally lik...I was a global warming skeptic until literally like 2 months ago. I just hadn't had the evidence explained to me in a compelling way, and my head was clouded up with myths and propaganda that I, with limited time to devote to the issue, had no way of knowing were myths and propaganda. Or at least that's what I tell myself to keep from feeling guilty. :)<br /><br />In any case, I'm glad I finally "saw the light." Actually, it was the Youtube guy potholer54 who finally broke through to me. Good on him.Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12968634190280933116noreply@blogger.com