tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post4239362188811590249..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Nidal Malik Hasan and the Bigot's FallacyAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-1241741717063185612009-11-11T09:23:51.770-07:002009-11-11T09:23:51.770-07:00As a disclaimer - I'm not saying Hasan's a...As a disclaimer - I'm not saying Hasan's actions were justified in any way. He was an evil man who committed an evil act.<br /><br />But to comment on the discussion between George & Anonymous - based on some of the comments made by members of the previous administration it is not completely unreasonable to draw the conclusion that the Iraq invasion was an attack on Islam by Christians for religious reasons. This would still be a wrong conclusion, but not a completely unfounded one.Eneasznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-40601361727956655942009-11-11T00:49:46.232-07:002009-11-11T00:49:46.232-07:00The Koran clearly states that the best way to die ...The Koran clearly states that the best way to die is in defending Islam.<br /><br />If you perceive Islam to be under attack from infidels then to join them (army) is an alliance with Jews etc etc and that is against Islam.<br /><br />If you attack those on their way - you believe - to attack you then that is self defenceThomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13399169086950516484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-56375286326905242832009-11-10T19:17:36.083-07:002009-11-10T19:17:36.083-07:00"It says...you are not to have an alliance wi..."It says...you are not to have an alliance with the Jews or Christians...."----If anyone bothers to read the Quran in context, they will find that the verse as well as those preceding and following refers to an "alliance" with those who are fighting you(when you are in a defensive war)---which is sensible advice. It does not refer to making "alliances" that are based on peace (peace treaties, treaties of neutrality or co-operation). Peace is encouraged and preferred over war.<br /><br />War is justified in self defence---that is true---but the shootings were not "self-defense"---they were murder and as such there can be NO justification.<br />In the ethics of war, a declaration of war must be made---which is a collective decision--not an individual one. To suppose that Maj Hasan was "at war" is not logical.<br />I am a muslim and I do not see him as a "devout follower of Islam I see him as a disturbed individual who snapped and created a tragedy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-45278269742124534692009-11-10T14:20:45.250-07:002009-11-10T14:20:45.250-07:00In this case, the bigot's fallacious thoughts ...In this case, the bigot's fallacious thoughts about muslims never entered my mind. I immediately thought:<br />1. This is an army soldier, which is a mentally tough job<br />2. This is a soldier who was going to be asked to kill others of his own faith<br />3. He probably had issues that were not related to Islam as a whole, but parts.<br /><br />I later found out that he even was confronted by a more moderate Muslim at the base. So, hopefully everyone else is more or less going on those lines.Matt Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17476827778760803809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-7358204436020471252009-11-10T12:42:58.516-07:002009-11-10T12:42:58.516-07:00Dave Cullen, a journalist who has written the defi...Dave Cullen, a journalist who has written the definitive text on the Columbine shootings, <a href="http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/nurtureshock/archive/2009/11/06/is-ft-hood-like-columbine-guest-blogger-dave-cullen.aspx" rel="nofollow">points out</a> another reason not to be quick to try and find a magic bullet answer for the killer's actions.<br /><br /><b>If we guess now [at the shooter's motives], the myths will be us forever. Ten years after Columbine, most of the public still believes it was about jocks, Goths and the Trench Coat Mafia. No, no and no. It wasn‘t even intended primarily as a school shooting: the failed bombs were supposed to be the main event. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were not loners, outcasts or misfits, nor were most of the school shooters.</b><br /><br />This is tangential to this post and reverse to an anti-atheist bigotyr fallacy, but one thing I found remarkable about Cullen's book is that it points out that while a popular mythology has developed about the Columbine shooters killing a young girl for professing her faith in Christianity, that never happened. (The girl was killed, but she never was given a chance to speak or was questioned by the killer.) The girl who actually was asked about her belief in God and professed her faith was not killed by the killer; ironically enough, she was never lionized.Hume's Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551684109760430351noreply@blogger.com