tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post4074705127530228585..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: The Pledge Project: Liberty and Justice for AllAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-5144561639716070472008-06-08T14:39:00.000-06:002008-06-08T14:39:00.000-06:00you've talked about descriptive and prescriptive i...you've talked about descriptive and prescriptive interpretations of the text, and of the act of pledging, but there are other interpretations as well. there's an ontological interpretation, that the pledger believes these to be 'true' (akin to descriptive). there's also a confessional interpretation, that the pledger is proclaiming his/her love or affinity for 'something' (nation, maybe) without believing the specifics of the text per se. the confessional interpretation is about the loyalty of the others in the room to the nebulous 'something.'scott grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12334188123201041182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-17229385290073553232008-06-08T07:39:00.000-06:002008-06-08T07:39:00.000-06:00Until meeting you in FI, I never had a dialogue wi...Until meeting you in FI, I never had a dialogue with atheists (at least, not a civil one. LOL!) the way that I have had with you guys. It's great to read your very legitimate points and I thank you for letting me think about things (as a Christian) that I never really considered before. <BR/><BR/>You've helped open my eyes to the fact that just because something doesn't infringe on my rights doesn't mean it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. <BR/><BR/>I'm glad I found your blog.Joycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997133316132366203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-6051656910829312972008-06-08T04:15:00.000-06:002008-06-08T04:15:00.000-06:00Hi TommyAs an outsider in this debate - not living...Hi Tommy<BR/><BR/>As an outsider in this debate - not living in the USA or being US citizen - can I say that I think your suggestion is a very good idea and will expand the visibility of this project enormously. My sense of irony suggests using an online pledge service to encourage the making of these youtube videos - such as the one at www.pledgebank.comMartin Freedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16952072422175870627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-5496748059981747052008-06-07T20:48:00.000-06:002008-06-07T20:48:00.000-06:00The way I see it, the "with liberty and justice fo...The way I see it, the "with liberty and justice for all" is the ideal for which we should strive for, so when we say the pledge, we are affirming our allegiance to the ideal of what America should be, even if present-day America does not live up to that ideal.<BR/><BR/>BTW, since you are focusing on the Pledge of late, I have an idea for you if you think it worthwhile (and I apologize in advance if you or one of your commenters already mentioned it) is to do something like the Blasphemy project where people submitted videos of themselves denying the holy spirit. How about a video Pledge Project wherein people submit videos of themselves saying the Pledge of Allegiance with "under God" omitted? Set a goal of 1,000 videos. <BR/><BR/>FWIW, if I have the time tomorrow, I plan to do videos of myself and my 5 year old daughter saying the Pledge sans "under God". I've already taught her to say it that way.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/><BR/>TKTommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.com