tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post3428223795249084048..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Desirism vs Subjectivism I: A Response to ChrisAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-84360123912994035972009-08-26T22:34:16.418-06:002009-08-26T22:34:16.418-06:00Luke and Alonzo
I am glad you both are using the ...Luke and Alonzo<br /><br />I am glad you both are using the term "desirism". I do think a better term but it helps if we all use the same label since we are talking about about the same theory (even as we might understand it differently or misunderstand it - at least by myself and Luke). <br /><br />Prior to this I have only named four restaurants/bars in London. I consider this more important - of course - although it is still just a label, the theory it refers to is what really matters, thanks Alonzo. And have a good break.<br /><br />Anyway I have been too busy to blog recently but will continue to blog on the theoretical aspects and so expand on my understanding of desirism when I have the time. I do have a post in preparation as a complementary answer to this "desirism versus subjectivism" series. But first I have to reply Kip (on another topic).Martin Freedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16952072422175870627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-17580433405777814462009-08-26T20:11:39.259-06:002009-08-26T20:11:39.259-06:00Lol, you're already using "desirism"...Lol, you're already using "desirism"?<br /><br />I just really like the term. It's 8 letters (but 5 syllables, as I pronounce it - is that a record, to get 5 syllables from 8 letters?). It avoids objections to common utilitarianism. And, perhaps most importantly, it emphasizes the central role of desires, in particular that they are the primary object of evaluation.<br /><br />Since I've started using the term, it has only grown on me.Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12968634190280933116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-91091748487472721542009-08-26T16:01:23.306-06:002009-08-26T16:01:23.306-06:00Or rather, the fact that they had a desire or aver...Or rather, the fact that they had a desire or aversion wasn't itself incorrect as a description of the person's attitude toward that state of affairs. <br /><br />But it seems that the aversion was the most informed position and therefore in some sense the "best" one to have.josefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650991894634101445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-53662981483560713852009-08-26T15:57:53.490-06:002009-08-26T15:57:53.490-06:00Alonzo,
Can't a person be more or less inform...Alonzo,<br /><br />Can't a person be more or less informed about a state of affairs that they desire? For example, someone might at one point not know whether they like ice cream. Then, they may discover that they like the taste of ice cream and say that they desire ice cream.<br /><br />But then, they may discover that they are lactose intolerant and say they do not desire ice cream.<br /><br />Each of indifference, aversion, and desire, pertain to the identical situation, yet it seems that the last of the three was the most informed formulation of desire and so it was in some sense "correct" whereas the others were not.josefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650991894634101445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-4950853339417899942009-08-25T09:25:34.531-06:002009-08-25T09:25:34.531-06:00Kip
It is not the beliefs or the desires that can...Kip<br /><br />It is not the beliefs or the desires that can be shown false in this context.<br /><br />It is the explanation - the proposition that a particular act can be explained by reference to a particular desire that can be false.Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-81909291522901100632009-08-25T08:56:42.949-06:002009-08-25T08:56:42.949-06:00> "They refer to beliefs and desires in ex...> "They refer to beliefs and desires in explaining their own actions that can be empirically shown to be false."<br /><br />I don't think a desire can be false. It can not exist, or be different than what is stated, but not "false" in the way a belief can be false.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com