tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post2106699850111004034..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Faith and MoralityAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-63222343227585037762010-01-20T07:45:50.696-07:002010-01-20T07:45:50.696-07:00...an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite nu......an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters...dbonfittohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08787420987976232701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-43575205995913548772010-01-15T16:16:53.889-07:002010-01-15T16:16:53.889-07:00Eat your heart out Shakespeare.Eat your heart out Shakespeare.J. Shakespeare Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-62406438848936015792010-01-15T06:34:53.740-07:002010-01-15T06:34:53.740-07:00Scott Gray:
I agree. Very few people could even co...Scott Gray:<br />I agree. Very few people could even conceive such a phrase, let alone write it.Pierohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17052662579477030895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-59088946294409130372010-01-14T17:12:10.245-07:002010-01-14T17:12:10.245-07:00john doe cannot possibly be a sock puppet. even a...john doe cannot possibly be a sock puppet. even alonzo in his seediest of disguises would never write: "I would say it rather thusly." he just could not do it.scott grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12334188123201041182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-17152793686001996532010-01-14T14:37:47.804-07:002010-01-14T14:37:47.804-07:00"Nobody is always right, even if they are the..."Nobody is always right, even if they are the top expert in their field."<br /><br />Sure. No problem with this in principle.<br /><br />"I'm not a skeptic just when I write comments here, I'm skeptical about everything. Sorry if that bothers you."<br /><br />Also not a problem.<br /><br />"I thought the typical atheist fancies himself to be 'opened minded.'"<br /><br />I don't know what a typical atheist is. We tend to be a diverse group in my experience.<br /><br />"So many here seem to take offense just because I have a different opinion."<br /><br />Did not see any offense taken, just disagreement.<br /><br />"I only took offense when he gratuitously insulted Christians."<br /><br />Christian persecution complex is unimpressive. <br /><br />"If my silly opinions are so silly, just ignore them, or demonstrate why they are incorrect."<br /><br />Ok. Where would you like to start?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-18502620957665068802010-01-14T14:05:38.966-07:002010-01-14T14:05:38.966-07:00anon, you are still missing the point. I don't...anon, you are still missing the point. I don't have ANY scientists who "meet my standards" if what you mean is I automatically accept what they say as true. If there is someone who "meets my standards" I would still want to hear what the critics say. Nobody is always right, even if they are the top expert in their field. <br /><br />I'm not a skeptic just when I write comments here, I'm skeptical about everything. Sorry if that bothers you. If I was playing poker with my mother, I'd STILL cut the cards. <br /><br />I thought the typical atheist fancies himself to be "opened minded." From what I've seen so far, they seem even more closed-minded than the stereotypcial Christian. So many here seem to take offense just because I have a different opinion. How does it effect any of you if I hold what you consider to be an assine opinion? <br /><br />Using the excuse that I am a "troll" is bogus; a troll disagrees just to be contrary. I've freely agreed with people on this board. I admire many of the thoughts of Alphonzo because he is obviously a deep thinker. I am quick to speak up when I disagree with him, but I have nothing against him. I could care less when his opinion differs from mine. I only took offense when he gratuitously insulted Christians. <br /><br />Why can't some of you lighten up and just read my comments, disagree if you feel like it, and STFU if all you want to do attack me because I disagree? Anton has to run and hide, Eneasz has to be a prick. Anon always has to get in a snide remark. I get it, you disagree with me, but lighten up on the insults, eh? And I'll not insult in return. <br /><br />If you are trying to insult me to drive me away because you don't like my opinion, doesn't that say something about yourself? Nazis act like that, because they fear dissenting opinions. If my silly opinions are so silly, just ignore them, or demonstrate why they are incorrect. Perhaps it is my legal training, but I can argue either side of any issue, and I don't take offense when somebody disagrees with me, so long as they are civil.John Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-79674327554894785642010-01-14T10:53:07.630-07:002010-01-14T10:53:07.630-07:00John Doe,
"I especially listen to those who ...John Doe,<br /><br />"I especially listen to those who are skeptical of his work."<br /><br />Seems like you are especially fond of the skeptics. Do you vet them too? Do you scrutinize their biases, prejudices, and logic?<br /><br />Have you scrutinized yourself in this way?<br /><br />Please, do name some of the scientists and skeptics who have met your standards. <br /><br />Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-82632705181488136202010-01-14T09:38:47.070-07:002010-01-14T09:38:47.070-07:00When the atheists can't refute what you say, t...When the atheists can't refute what you say, they attack the person. For those too blind to notice, I use reason and logic, and only attack those who have first attacked me. <br /><br />Don't flatter yourself TGP, you are wrong about me. You are either an idiot to come to such a conclusion, or you are just lying about me to be mean. I've said here many times that the reason that I am so skeptical is from personal experience in litigation, where you can literally find a doctor, engineer or scientist to advocate almost any position, no matter how absurd. Soon, it doesn't take a genius to realize that two "scientists" advocating with equal intensity diametrically opposed conclusions cannot both be correct. <br /><br />I agree with "let science do the work." However, I don't just blindly accept what you claim the science really proves. I scrutinize the science. I look behind the science, view the scientist, his biases and prejudices, his logic, how well he conducted the experiment, whether his experiment flies in the face of other experiments, and I especially listen to those who are skeptical of his work, etc. <br /><br />For instance, Global warming alarmists seem to want to skip right past all that and force us to accept the conclusions of global warming alarmists merely because they are so-called experts. <br /><br />If my skeptical attitude causes you concern, it is probably because you advocate some "scientific" position which cannot withstand such scrutiny. The best disinfectant for lies is sunlight. Get all the facts out and don't hold anything back.John Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-72270196534243006682010-01-14T07:18:53.753-07:002010-01-14T07:18:53.753-07:00I have a few leftover bags of Acme Troll Food, if ...I have a few leftover bags of Acme Troll Food, if anyone is interested...Pierohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17052662579477030895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-31957179440759242432010-01-14T07:06:23.165-07:002010-01-14T07:06:23.165-07:00"You and your little atheist friends can'..."You and your little atheist friends can't stand a little debate?"<br /><br />Do you have any actual arguments to make besides this: "me sooo smart. me real man. me real christian. you pussy. you diseased. you no know christianity like me know christianity. me talk in no spin zone. me tell it like it is."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-77339506581369036962010-01-14T06:56:21.011-07:002010-01-14T06:56:21.011-07:00I'd like to sincerely thank John Doe for demon...I'd like to sincerely thank John Doe for demonstrating almost perfectly my original point concerning theist thought. <br /><br />It's either option #1 or option #2 here, isn't it? The only appeal science might make here is to offer heavy medication. <br /><br />I'm going to choose to agree to disagree with John Doe, as he's only embarrassing himself right now. However, we must remain vigilant whenever this sort of intolerant madness attempts to enter public policy. <br /><br />May Carl Sagan watch over you and guard you from harm, <br />TGPdbonfittohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08787420987976232701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-69111093991710613482010-01-14T06:52:42.352-07:002010-01-14T06:52:42.352-07:00Eneasz, you aren't even entertaining, yer jus...Eneasz, you aren't even entertaining, yer just a bore. <br /><br />But since I'm bored, I'll swat some of your idiotic remarks. <br /><br />Oh, boo frickin hoo, kids aren't "taught" how to use condoms. What moron believes that kids do not know how to use condoms? Oh, if only we taught them in public screwal, they would not get pregnant or get STDs. And I've got some beach front property to sell you in the Everglades. Like I said, if they wouldn't have sex, they wouldn't get pregnant or get disease. Would YOU want to have sex with someone with AIDS? I wouldn't trust my life to a rubber. And further, by your way of thinking we shouldn't teach "no theft only," either, because kids are going to steal. Instead, we should teach them how to beat the rap, or how to survive in jail. I don't buy this crap that only the shitty public schools can teach kids sex ed. I had sex ed in a public school, it did not stop me from having unprotected sex when I was a young punk.<br /><br />And no, limp dick, that does not mean Noah brought every VD onto the ark. Bacteria etc. mutate and change, it is perfectly plausible that VDs were innocuous, or that humans had immunity to them in their original form, and only later did they turn deadly. Shetland ponies aren't a threat to run over you and trample you, but Clydesdales sure are. <br /><br />Me saying "real Christians" does not mean that I am authoritarian, you diseased pud. There are common notions about what is a "real Christian" that are generally accepted by the masses. You can call yourself a Christian, but if you deny that Christ was a real person, if you deny that he was crucified and resurrected, or if you claim that he was the devil or that the Bible is just a fairy tail for instance, then sorry, yes, you ain't a real Christian. It is no different than if I said somebody isn't a "real atheist." Dipshit, by very definition, somebody who believes in God is not an atheist, no matter what he chooses to call himself. If you called him a "fake atheist" it would not be because he disagreed with you, it would be because he really wasn't an atheist. Are you really so dense that you can't understand? <br /><br />I've been to a Christian college, and two secular colleges, and a secular law school. Is my education somehow deficient in your eyes? Who is really the narrow-minded one here? I've got the best of both worlds, while you don't even have a clue what the other world is. <br /><br />You and your little atheist friends can't stand a little debate? You gonna run away like Anton for a few months so your precious eyes don't fall on something written by a Christian? What a little pussy. Oh, "he ties up the widdle board so we can't have our little circle-jerks where we all think alike and sound alike and cheer each other on." Don't respond to my comments if you don't like them. Skip over them. You know you aren't smart enough to debate a real man.John Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-20773506971529906522010-01-14T06:41:17.527-07:002010-01-14T06:41:17.527-07:00"Actually I'm smarter than Alonzo, more l..."Actually I'm smarter than Alonzo, more logical, better educated, and more learned. I created Alonzo's writings as some sort of spoof of what a "rational" atheist would conjure up. Jokes on ya'll."<br /><br />This is precious. John Doe apparently suffers from all manner of penis envy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-12437238620331475462010-01-13T23:53:11.135-07:002010-01-13T23:53:11.135-07:00Oh, before I forget:
Well, now that you mention i...Oh, before I forget:<br /><br /><i>Well, now that you mention it, if those idiots would follow God's laws and not run around having sex with multiple partners they would not be at risk of contracting the disease</i>.<br /><br />Google Lubbock, Texas.<br /><br />In 1995 it instituted an abstinence-only sexual education program. Since then, teen pregnancy, abortion, and STD rates have become among the highest in the country. Do you actually care about real outcomes that effect real humans in the real world? Or are you so enslaved to your ideology that you are willing to sacrifice uncounted lives upon it's alter?<br /><br />In an only-tangentially-related thought, if it's impossible for new species to come into existence through evolution, and the bible is literally true, that means Noah and his family must have carried every STD that exists, on the ark. That musta really sucked for them.Eneaszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14500232958398471146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-92037284238073707122010-01-13T22:28:32.020-07:002010-01-13T22:28:32.020-07:00Amazingly, I still can't make up my mind if Jo...Amazingly, I still can't make up my mind if John Doe is for real or not. But I'm beginning to enjoy the spectacle. :)<br /><br /><i>Supersage, I am new here... All I know about what Alphonzo believes has been gleaned from reading his posts from about the past month</i>.<br /><br />That brought a smile to my face. Would any real person make all sorts of strong claims in the comments to a blog and then a few days later declare his gross ignorance of it? Is this simply playing to my prejudices of fundies as idiots? I'd be somewhat embarrassed to end up on an Onion-esque satire site.<br /><br /><i>Eneasz, you have proven yourself not to be worthy of my time. Your sophomoric insults mask your inability to discuss issues rationally</i>.<br /><br />Coming from someone who, when his flawed reasoning was pointed out, ignored the argument and resorted to calling his opponent a pedophile. Less than a week ago! And every day since. Again, it's hard to imagine someone ACTUALLY being this self-blind.<br /><br /><i>There are some fundamental areas that it is impossible to be a true Christian and hold certain views</i>.<br /><br />I've seen several "True Christian" claims from JD now. I know that real people actually use such terms, but c'mon... really? True Christian = People who agree with John Doe. False Christian = Everyone else. No attempt to hide it at all. If I hadn't read The Authoritarians I wouldn't believe such a self-deluded person could exist outside of an asylum.<br /><br /><i>I personally attended a Christian college</i><br /><br />A snicker...<br /><br /><i>and took a course called "Creationism" or "Intelligent Design" (or something like that</i>)<br /><br />...followed by an IRL LOL. Gotta love those christian colleges! :)<br /><br /><i><b>And oh, yeah, I'm a "fundamentalist."</b> Perhaps the reason that you are having problems convincing people such as me is that you don't know what you are talking about? <b>Appeals to authority do not convince such people</b></i>.<br /><br />Count 'em!!! "I'm a fundy" seperated by "appeals to authority do not convince" by only ONE sentence!! A SINGLE SENTENCE was enough distance for the barrier of compartmentalization to come slamming down! Is that ACTUALLY possible?<br /><br />And consider, less than 24-hours ago he came right out and said <i>Yes, I guess it does come down to "might makes right,</i>"<br /><br />I think there could be a second explanation, besides the "prankster pretending to be a fundy-tard" one. Most people would've copped to that by now, if called out on it.<br />In a different blog an xtian called "cl" once came along and tied up the comments for over a month simply by being obtuse and loud. Maybe this is a similar attempt to simply clog up the machinery of dialog with endless streams of shit? Similar to the Town-Hall Vandals of a few months ago.Eneaszhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14500232958398471146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-41903137533648836832010-01-13T18:38:54.597-07:002010-01-13T18:38:54.597-07:00Supersage, I can't speak for other Christians,...Supersage, I can't speak for other Christians, but I can speak for myself. I personally attended a Christian college and took a course called "Creationism" or "Intelligent Design" (or something like that) which studied the reasons to be skeptical of the official version of evolution.<br /><br /> Guess what. I was a skeptic. I didn't buy their official version either. I listen to reason, and to logic, and I am open to both the proposition that Christians are wrong, and that scientists are wrong. I'm not a scientist. I don't know all the ins and outs of evolution. But I don't blindly accept the scientific "consensus," nor do I automatically accept the latest "Piltdown Man" to come down the pike. And oh, yeah, I'm a "fundamentalist." Perhaps the reason that you are having problems convincing people such as me is that you don't know what you are talking about? Appeals to authority do not convince such people. So if you are not an expert in a particular topic, leave it to the experts. Perhaps you don't know what you are talking about. I have a little more than a layman's knowledge of the topic, but I'm not automatically going to accept the crap that you or anybody else spews without good reason. I'm open to being convinced, but not willing to swallow hook line and sinker what you say without proof. If that position is somehow "illogical" in your view, then I suggest that your logic needs work.<br /><br />p.s. SORRY, I could not resist. Anton, you big pussy. You don't want to read what some Christian wrote so you are gonna run away and hide and hope that I won't post here in a few months? God, are all Canadians such little wimps? You can't even bother to scroll past my comments, so you will hide your head in the sand until I stop posting here!!!?? And Supersage has the gall to paint Christians as narrow-minded? BWAAHAAA HAAA!!John Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-46470346790514633072010-01-13T16:04:10.117-07:002010-01-13T16:04:10.117-07:00Well, sir, Christianity may indeed take certain ar...Well, sir, Christianity may indeed take certain areas of disagreement off the table, but certainly not for any logical reason in many cases. For example, take the intelligent design "debate." You can show a fundamentalist all the evidence and logical argument you want, this is an area in which disagreement has been taken off the table. Is this good? I would say not. I couldn't, however, by any means, logical or otherwise short of threat or force, convince said fundamentalist that what he was doing was wrong. It may well be true that some atheists deny that they should do what's logical, but this is, again, nothing that isn't also true of many theists.SS400https://www.blogger.com/profile/17307796666410840170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-11644936105342162722010-01-13T15:10:43.793-07:002010-01-13T15:10:43.793-07:00Actually I'm smarter than Alonzo, more logical...Actually I'm smarter than Alonzo, more logical, better educated, and more learned. I created Alonzo's writings as some sort of spoof of what a "rational" atheist would conjure up. Jokes on ya'll.John Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-21548303099271675112010-01-13T15:07:54.051-07:002010-01-13T15:07:54.051-07:00Supersage, you make valid points. But you did mist...Supersage, you make valid points. But you did mistate my position: "Your original problem was that atheists can not care about doing the right thing even if they're shown completely logical reasons for doing so." <br /><br />I would say it rather thusly: My problem is that some atheists do not accept the premise that what they do should be based upon reason or logic. What you and I consider logical and reasonable, they (rightly, I would argue)reject as they have no reason to do so. A dog doesn't need logic, neither does a human if he feels that he is no better or worse than a dog. Yeah, yeah, I KNOW, many atheists will say that is not their view of humans. But I contend that is the case for very many atheists. Zero Christians believe that way, there simply is no room for such a belief if you are a true Christian. Atheism, on the other hand, does allow for such a conclusion. <br /><br />There are some fundamental areas that it is impossible to be a true Christian and hold certain views. There are no such fundamental areas of agreement with atheists. True, when push comes to shove, it really devolves down to "I'll do it my way." Christianity has taken certain areas of possible disagreement off the table. It also greases the skids somewhat if a majority come from the same perspective. <br /><br />Be happy if you live in a land founded upon the morals and precepts of Judea Christianity. Sharia law sucks. And can you imagine trying to get a consensus of what the common good involves if you are a minority and head-hunters and cannibals are in the majority?John Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-20359481427692692822010-01-13T14:52:39.777-07:002010-01-13T14:52:39.777-07:00A creation to stir up the pot? Oh wow. That would ...A creation to stir up the pot? Oh wow. That would just be hilarious.SS400https://www.blogger.com/profile/17307796666410840170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-34007216041384694842010-01-13T14:21:58.261-07:002010-01-13T14:21:58.261-07:00Alonzo:
Was "John Doe" one of your crea...Alonzo:<br /><br />Was "John Doe" one of your creations to stir up the pot? I will refrain from reading the comments for a few months and hope that idiot is no longer around. Perhaps we could all avoid commenting for a while and leave this forum to the creep. Couldn't he have found a "Christian" blog more receptive to his shit? Yeah, I know, I am just feeding the troll.antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909850387414677663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-30780638456485537892010-01-13T13:49:54.139-07:002010-01-13T13:49:54.139-07:00Doe
Fine. Christians are more likely to agree on ...Doe<br /><br />Fine. Christians are more likely to agree on certain issues than atheists. This might be true, but I don't see how it changes things much. Your original problem was that atheists can not care about doing the right thing even if they're shown completely logical reasons for doing so. The problem exists for Christians (and other theists) as well, whether they generally tend to agree from the start or not. It's just as easy for a theist to say "I don't care about your logic; I'll do what I want anyway" as it is for an atheist. If you're going to say it's a problem for atheistic ethics, you can't then go ahead and say it's not a problem for theistic ethics as well, can you?SS400https://www.blogger.com/profile/17307796666410840170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-13482313220240899682010-01-13T13:24:44.705-07:002010-01-13T13:24:44.705-07:00Anonymous, making up shit on the internet is easy....Anonymous, making up shit on the internet is easy. Proving it with actual facts is the hard part. Don't forget to pay your NAMBLA dues, you know you hate it when you don't get their monthly magazine in the mail.John Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-22247396209655949802010-01-13T13:22:04.064-07:002010-01-13T13:22:04.064-07:00Anton, that is a totally bogus argument. When it i...Anton, that is a totally bogus argument. When it is convenient for atheists, they argue that this was not and never was a "Christian nation," but when they want to blame Christians, suddenly all the killings that occurred in the Indian wars were committed by Christians. Can't have it both ways. Also, the 27 million or whatever figure you cited is totally bogus. There were never that many Indians here. The Indian wars worked both ways. Indians killed each other and white people. And most of the Indian deaths occurred due to disease to which they had no immunity.<br /><br />Supersage, I am new here. I didn't go rummaging through all the archives. All I know about what Alphonzo believes has been gleaned from reading his posts from about the past month. No mention has been made of moral relativism to date. So your remark is idiotic to say the least.<br /><br />Eneasz, you have proven yourself not to be worthy of my time. Your sophomoric insults mask your inability to discuss issues rationally.<br /><br />TGP, whaaa whaaaa. Does that work often for you in real life? Here, let me give you a free psychological profiling: yer a faggot, or you enjoy some other form of perversion, and you hate it when your conscience bothers you when you do it, and you have been trying your entire adult life to make it stop, and have found the best way to do it is to bash Christians and God. Want a little cheese with your whine?John Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-22373678703426527112010-01-13T12:17:04.845-07:002010-01-13T12:17:04.845-07:00Flail, Doe, flail. I meant what I wrote exactly as...Flail, Doe, flail. I meant what I wrote exactly as I wrote it because it's accurate. I am sorry that you cannot handle the facts, but they are easily available to anyone with access to either the Internet or a semi-decent library.<br /><br />When you reach college age, apply to a real school and not Liberty University. You have much to learn about the Bible, philosophy, Christian history, and critical reasoning.<br /><br />Good luck! ;>)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com