tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post1695458187801550764..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Population Ethics: Bringing More People Into the WorldAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-86451867889456720142015-12-20T02:50:46.787-07:002015-12-20T02:50:46.787-07:00"This argument requires the assumption that e..."This argument requires the assumption that each life us assigned an intrinsic value independent of interests or desires (though the intrinsic value of a life at depend on how many of the person's desires are fulfilled). Or job - our moral duty - is to make this number as big as possible.<br /><br />Desirism rejects that model."<br /><br />Why does it reject the model? You stop at this very interesting question, and just don't answer. Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-69292161213386476692013-06-12T21:20:29.623-06:002013-06-12T21:20:29.623-06:00David S89, you're assertion that the woman in ...David S89, you're assertion that the woman in hypothetical 2 "exists in a state of no desires" is false. We do not stop having desires just because we are unconscious. That solves the hypothetical neatly.Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661002375460378958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-26004288043514191452013-06-02T00:44:51.324-06:002013-06-02T00:44:51.324-06:00I discovered desirism on my own a few years back (...I discovered desirism on my own a few years back (or something very similar to it) and just in the last week discovered your work through the commonatheism website.<br /><br />I was trying to find some contact information on you so I could ask you this very question 30 minutes ago. crazy huh ? ;p<br />I had even typed out the question before reading this blogpost so I am just gonna copypaste it here because you haven't answered all of it:<br /><br /><i>If desires is the thing that tells us what is morally right / wrong, doesn't that impose upon us to procreate as much as possible? So that we have more entities that can form desires and fuifill them?<br />One might say that *today* that would be immoral because we don't have enough resources on the planet (or at least fair resource distribution) to make sure that everyone can have their desires met, but what about in the future?<br />Say we "cure" famine, global warming and religion is wiped off the face of the Earth and we're left in a type of Utopia where everyone has all the resources they need. Isn't it then a "ought" that we then just create as many senitient beings as possibly ?</i><br /><br /><br />Another 2 questions I have for you regarding desirism is the following:<br /><br />1) <i><br />Given the premise that determinism is correct, how can you say that the universe has no purpose? The universe is exactly as it had to be given it's deterministic evolution and consequentially the purpose was to give rise to living entities like you and me.<br />So eventhough we can think and hypothesize forever about hypothetical universes in which there are no beings, that universe is not a reality. In *reality* our universe is exactly as it has to be *with* objective meaning.<br />So in other words the purpose of the universe is to give rise to meaning creating entities which then gives rise to emergent REAL meaning and morality.<br />Do you agree with this reasoning and if not, why?</i><br /><br />2)<br /><i><br />Imagine this hypothetical scenario:<br />A guy drugs a girl. She passes out. He rapes her in her sleep because he desired to.<br />She is passed out during the entire ordeal and wake up without ever knowing about it. In other words she suffered no trauma.<br />Was what he did still wrong? He got his desire fuifilled while she was in a state of no desires, so if desirism is correct, did anything immoral occur here?</i>DavidS89noreply@blogger.com