tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post1347893635812444972..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Anti-Atheist Bigotry among AtheistsAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-56717555871674182672008-12-26T15:21:00.000-07:002008-12-26T15:21:00.000-07:00Until the majority of society (including atheists)...Until the majority of society (including atheists) decide that anti-atheist bigotry is wrong, it will continue unabated :-(<BR/><BR/>Tufty<BR/>(see my blog against <A HREF="http://atheophobia.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">atheophobia</A>)Alex Ashmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14989982189431539327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-11431623445811720712008-12-26T11:48:00.000-07:002008-12-26T11:48:00.000-07:00I think you are absolutely correct here. A common ...I think you are absolutely correct here. A common example of anti-atheist bigotry among atheists includes those who call themselves "militant" or "fundamentalist" atheists. This makes me wince every time I encounter it because it reflects serious misunderstanding about what these terms mean.vjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05868095335395368227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-62508922517709167132008-12-26T10:26:00.000-07:002008-12-26T10:26:00.000-07:00I haven't seen studies leaning in either direction...I haven't seen studies leaning in either direction, but I haven't met ANY atheists who self-loathe about their atheism.<BR/><BR/>In my first comment, I was referring to the fact that atheists are HUMAN, and subject to the same in-group/out-group mentality as everybody else. And in fact, I certainly HAVE experienced lots of anti-theist bigotry coming from atheists, most notably in all those bestselling atheist books that have come out lately (especially those by Sam Harris).<BR/><BR/>Have you seen self-loathing or anti-atheist bigotry among atheists?<BR/><BR/>I simply haven't.Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12968634190280933116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-53898775078185794602008-12-26T03:28:00.000-07:002008-12-26T03:28:00.000-07:00I suspect the phenomenon you speak of regarding se...I suspect the phenomenon you speak of regarding self-loathing among so-called "atheists" is closely related to the attitude that one can be an "atheist" primarily. Of course, "atheism" is the result of one's views, not the beginning of them. One cannot rightly be an "atheist" primarily. One has a set of positive beliefs relating to the nature of reality, to the nature of oneself, to the nature of knowledge, to what is of value and what is not, to how one ought to relate to other human beings and to one's own sense of beauty. It is those positive beliefs that then lead to any negative conclusions regarding the beliefs and practices of others. Although many will identify me as an "atheist", I am not an atheist primarily. My beliefs, my values, my practices have a good foundation very difficult or impossible to successfully argue against which, as it happens, leads me to reject the inaccurate observations and inconsistent logic of theists. The fact that the poor thinker loathes my skepticism, critique and rebuttal to their beliefs and practices is, sadly, to be expected. Their loathing in no way shakes my very solid foundation which only happens to be "atheistic" from their. Their label for me is not the label I apply to myself which is far more inclusive of the truth than merely "atheist".<BR/><BR/>Perhaps other "atheists" ought to change their point of view of themselves as primarily "atheists". I can assure them, they are not. They need to identify what their positive views, positive values are and, go from there. Let us critique ourselves according to who and what we ARE rather than according to what we are NOT - silly theists.RichardBarneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17185784949325429557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-50821798824563834052008-12-26T03:20:00.000-07:002008-12-26T03:20:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.RichardBarneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17185784949325429557noreply@blogger.com