tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post115328531349036186..comments2023-10-24T04:29:23.693-06:00Comments on Atheist Ethicist: Some Dishonest AdviceAlonzo Fyfehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-1155490457056317212006-08-13T11:34:00.000-06:002006-08-13T11:34:00.000-06:00Alonzo:I apologies in advance for the length of my...Alonzo:<BR/>I apologies in advance for the length of my comment, and for straying off topic. I feel I must answerer the above reader.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>Both abortion and breast cancer are exclusively women issues. Men, regardless of their position on abortion, have nowhere nearly as much interest in the truth of studies such as this as women do. Allow me to give you a woman's point of view on this most difficult dilemma.<BR/><BR/>To any woman breast and cervical cancer are dreaded conditions. No man would ever be able to really understand them, just as no woman would be able to really understand testicular or prostate cancer.<BR/><BR/>Critics of legal abortion are called pro life, as if the other side is somehow pro death. Nothing could be further from the truth. Women do not consider abortion lightly. To any woman an abortion is not a convenient way of ending an inconvenient situation. It is a dreadful option used as a very last resort in extremely difficult situations. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps she accidentally got pregnant in the beginning stage of menopause, and is fearing for her health and life, or the wellbeing of the child if she dose not live?<BR/>Perhaps the fetus was diagnosed with severe defects?<BR/>Perhaps her pregnancy is a result of rape?<BR/>Only a small number of abortions is performed on adolescent girls. ( BTW The problem of accidental, unwanted pregnancies can easily be solved by widespread availability of condoms.)<BR/><BR/>Either way, the question of weather or not to go through that ordeal (and I agree on the emotional trauma of the procedure) is difficult and complicated enough as it is. Please do not complicate the mater more by questioning the validity of scientific research regarding future women health. To use the most dreaded illness as an uncertain side effect to one option of an already no-win situation is only comparable to adding insult to injury. <BR/><BR/>Also I find your connection with tobacco companies lacking. Tobacco companies lie because they live on other people's addiction. Gynecologists earn their livelihood by caring for the health of women. <BR/><BR/>A lot of them refuse to perform abortions for reasons of faith or conscience. (Yes, some people have conscience even if they lack faith) Those that perform abortions are not profiting on it, they are not eager killers. They only do so because they know that a woman who has chosen abortion will go through it, one way or another. An illegal abortion would not only end the life of the fetus, but also endanger the health and life of women. Thus they chose the lesser of to evils.<BR/><BR/>I would like you to ask yourself just one thing. Are you supporting these findings because they rationalize your evaluation of abortion or because you have genuine concern for the well being of the women in your life?<BR/><BR/>If you are genuinely concerned with women health please support sex-ed other than abstinence only. Support compulsory HPV inoculations and availability of condoms.<BR/>And above all support honesty in scientific research.<BR/><BR/>I thank you in advance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-1154156790193159922006-07-29T01:06:00.000-06:002006-07-29T01:06:00.000-06:00ttp://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/Brind_NCBQ.PDFT...ttp://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/Brind_NCBQ.PDF<BR/><BR/>The NCI "consensus" panel is the one study that critics are relying on to disprove the abortion-breast cancer link that was common knowledge based on five decades of research. <BR/><BR/>I would encourage you to read the article at the above link by Dr. Joel Brind, who was the dissenting voice on that panel. Review his logic and then judge for yourself. There are also studies coming out of New Zealand, Japan, and elsewhere that support the link. In fact 27 our of 38 worldwide studies indicate the link between abortion and breast cancer. <BR/><BR/>Also, pregnancy centers don't charge for any of there services, they are completely free and confidential, unlike abortions which cost $300 to $1500 a pop, based on the baby's stage of development. So again the real question is, who really benefits from lying to women?<BR/><BR/>Let me remind us all of the days when big tobacco was still trying to convince people that smoking doesn't cause cancer. It took a long time and a lot of fringe groups pushing fringe science to finally get those labels on the box. People deserve to know the possible risks of any surgery they undergo, however rare the doctors may believe that risk is.<BR/><BR/>Why are many states now mandating that abortion providers tell women about the abortion-breast cancer link if it is supposedly settled-science? <BR/><BR/>We are doing the next generation a great disservice by trying to label sides to protect something like abortion. If there is any indication that it could cause breast cancer that needs to be studied in depth and if people still want abortion to be legal than they need to be researching ways to keep the lobules that develop in woman's breast from becoming host environments for cancer cells.<BR/><BR/>This isn't about a political agenda, this is about women's health...actually know this is about an $880 million industry that sells a service and is willing to lie to protect it...and I think we both know that I'm not talking about non-profit pregnancy resource centers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-1154119713789633222006-07-28T14:48:00.000-06:002006-07-28T14:48:00.000-06:00AnonymousI have argued repeatedly in this blog tha...<B>Anonymous</B><BR/><BR/>I have argued repeatedly in this blog that intellectual recklessness that results in risk to the life, health, and well-being of others is a moral crime on par with drunk driving.<BR/><BR/>The U.S. National Cancer Institute held a special session specifically to determine the effects of abortion on breast cancer. 100 experts were involved in this intense review of the literature. Their findings were that there is no relationship between abortion and breast cancer.<BR/><BR/>Note that the study you cite on "The Risk of Breast Cancer Among Young Women" was a 1994 study which was included in the USNCI report of 2003, along with additional research that had been done in the intervening 9 years.<BR/><BR/>Leave it to a dogmatist to hear of one study that supports his desired conclusion and call it "proof", when 100 experts in the field weigh that one study againts all of the other evidence accumulated over the next 9 years and reach a different conclusion.<BR/><BR/>The fact that several state legislatures have passed laws or resolutions denying this fact only proves that state legislatures can be tricked or pressured by organizations that have no respect for the truth and are willing to engage in intellectual recklessness that threaten the lives of others -- just as you have done here.<BR/><BR/>The use of organizations with great-sounding names that exist for the purpose of pushing deception and intellectually reckless practices on an unwary public has long been a staple of the public relations business since humans first discovered the how to lie.<BR/><BR/>Reference: <A HREF="http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_6x_Can_Having_an_Abortion_Cause_or_Contribute_to_Breast_Cancer.asp" REL="nofollow">The American Cancer Society: Abortion and Breast Cancer.</A>Alonzo Fyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687777216426347054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-1154114729511409092006-07-28T13:25:00.000-06:002006-07-28T13:25:00.000-06:00Unfortunately, none of the Congressional reports, ...Unfortunately, none of the Congressional reports, or the latest media coverage, have made mention of the substantial scientific studies that support the possibility for increased risk of breast cancer, infertility, and emotional trauma among women who undergo one or more abortions. These reports do not mention that numerous states including Mississippi, Texas, Kansas, Minnesota, and Montana have passed legislation mandating that abortion providers notify a woman of the increased risk for breast cancer, emotional trauma, and miscarriages that can result from induced abortion. Additionally, little attention has been given to a 1994 report by the National Cancer Institute citing that "Among women who had been pregnant at least once, the risk of breast cancer in those who had experienced an induced abortion was 50% higher than among other women" ("Risk of Breast Cancer Among Young Women: Relationship to Induced Abortion," Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Volume 86, #21). This report has since been removed from their website.<BR/><BR/>The Abortion-Breast Cancer (ABC) Link<BR/><BR/>http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/Brind_NCBQ.PDF <BR/>www.abortionbreastcancer.com/Lanfranchi060201.pdf <BR/>The Abortion-Breast Cancer Link by Angela Lanfranchi, MD, FACS <BR/>www.aapsonline.org/press/abortioncancer.htm <BR/>http://www.johnkindley.com/wisconsinlawreview.htm <BR/><BR/>Medical Groups that currently recognize the ABC Link<BR/><BR/>National Physicians Center for Family Resources <BR/>Breast Cancer Prevention Institute <BR/>Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc. <BR/>The Polycarp Research Institute <BR/>American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists <BR/>Ethics and Medics <BR/>Mastercare International <BR/>Breast Care Center-EAMC <BR/><BR/>States that require abortion providers to inform women of the ABC link <BR/><BR/>(This list is not exclusive as Informed Consent laws are passed and amended each year...click here to read legislative summary of informed consent laws)<BR/><BR/>Kansas (KS Dept. of Health, If You Are Pregnant) <BR/>Louisiana (La. Dept. of Health, Abortion: Making a Decision) <BR/>Minnesota <BR/>Mississippi (Miss. Dept. of Health, Informed Consent Information & Resources) <BR/>Montana <BR/>Texas (Click Here to Read Text of Legislation) <BR/><BR/>Post Abortion Stress Syndrome<BR/><BR/>David C. Reardon, Ph.D., director of the Elliot Institute, is widely recognized as one of the leading experts on the after-effects of abortion on women, a field in which he has specialized since 1983. He is the author of numerous books and scholarly articles on this topic. Research Elliot Institute studies on the psychological aftermath of abortion: http://www.afterabortion.org/<BR/><BR/>"Uninformed Consent: Abortion and Mental Health Consequences" by Warren Throckmorton, Ph.D. "Recent research from Norway and New Zealand has reported an association between abortion and subsequent mental health problems. <BR/><BR/>Reproductive Health and Infertility<BR/><BR/>Another Abortion Risk: Preterm Birth by Dr. Byron Calhoun, MD, FACOG, FACS, MBA<BR/><BR/>Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania suggests that abortion can, though rarely, result in infertility. http://www.ppsp.org/askbeth/archives/abortion_and_fertility.asp<BR/><BR/>http://www.heartbeatinternational.org/public_policy_report.htm<BR/><BR/>Texas Informed Consent Legislation recognizes possible link between abortion and infertility...click here to read the text.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16594468.post-1153434972032086772006-07-20T16:36:00.000-06:002006-07-20T16:36:00.000-06:00This is one of the best thought out and most inter...This is one of the best thought out and most interesting discussions on the topic of 'biased' counselling I’ve read in quite some time. Keep up the good work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com